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Tell me this is sarcasm. Please.
If not, who's brainwashed me, is it the lizardmen?
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Tell me this is sarcasm. Please.
If not, who's brainwashed me, is it the lizardmen?
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So that's why George Bush has never denied blowing up the Twin Towers - it must be true.
I'm still waiting for the evidence I requested in the other thread. How long is it going to take?
Yes, but in cases like this people won't bother, because the claim is not credible in the first place. Obama doesn't lie awake very night thinking "How the hell am I going to shut up Alex Jones?!" He just gets on with life.
Obama can afford to ignore Alex Jones for the same reason that I can afford to ignore the local tramp who loudly informs people that I'm Napoleon every time he sees me in the street.
Oh, and from your video link:
That was posted in June 2007. Here we are in 2009, and the dreaded "North American Union" is still a figment of the conspiracy theorists' fertile imagination.
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No, the only difference is that I provide objective facts which anyone can verify in their own time. I don't just provide a random source of information without any substantiation.
What?
Er, yes I do.
For example, Teki claimed that David Rockefeller is the head of the World Bank and the head of the Bilderberg group. I pointed out that the head of the world bank is actually Robert Zoellick, and the secretary of the Bilderberg Group is actually Étienne, Viscount Davignon.
Teki did not know this because he had not bothered to find out. He had simply accepted what he'd been told, without questioning the information or confirming its legitimacy. He was forced to admit that he was wrong.
Imagine if I came up to you one day and said "Neville Fotheringham is the British Prime Minister". Would I be right, or wrong? I'd be wrong, of course. And you could prove this by citing a legitimate source which demonstrates that the British Prime Minister is actually Gordon Brown.
And if I said to you "Well, neither of us is right, and you have no more evidence for your view than I do for mine!" would you accept that? Of course not; you'd be mad to accept it.
See how this works?
Oh really? How do you know what I know? That seems remarkably presumptuous.
Because I am able to prove that what I say is correct.
I can't believe I've been drawn into this debate. For the record I will state that I have no specific allegiance to either side. So, from the top;
Your 'facts' are not facts at all. All your arguments are based on information which is from the public domain. You may state that this information is true, verifiable, independent and honest, but in reality it is only true to the best of your knowledge. Your knowledge which is made up from public domain information. Unless you are a member of, say, the Bilderberg group, then you know as little about it as I do.
Presumptuous? Yes. Are you going to tell me that I'm wrong?
You can't say for certain, that what goes on in those meetings doesn't decide the fate of society any more than the OP can say that it does.
Yes, there are probably some inaccuracies in the video. In fact, most of the stuff is probably made up to suit their own agenda. This is why conspiracy theorists are usually laughed at; their research is never thorough enough to warrant enough attention. Although, (again, are you ready for another big assumption):
You, personally, do not know any more than the OP.
Tell me how you know, for certain, that say (and to make it more relevant to the thread);
a) Obama is not a 'puppet' (as said in the video), for other agendas?
b) The Bilderberg group do not decide on the fate of society.
c) That everything is as clear cut and transparent as mass media/government/etc make it out to be.
Gosh, I'm really sounding like I believe this stuff now. I don't. I just also don't believe that everything, and everybody, are as honest about what goes on behind closed doors as they make out to be.
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You seem totally brainwashed by the mainstream media - eg BBC is totally controlled by UK govenment I know this as Ive Im on their books.
Lets put it this way about media..... lets say you go to a doctor about something - he/she percribes you with a drug. You have total confidence in your doctor right? But do you know you doctor was paid by the drug companys to give you that drug werther you needed it or not! Doctors get bit handouts by the drug companys. Dont you think the media is the same?
I can tell you one fact thats not reported by media - the drug valium gives people altzhimers and children Autiusm. Every Media company knows this but wont report on it... because of blocks from govenment and payments by drug companys.
Anyway - you remind me of an someone who does not believe in God - someone can show you every everidence that God exsists, even miricles performed infront of you... yet you will still need more proof.
You seem totally brainwashed by the mainstream media - eg BBC is totally controlled by UK govenment I know this as Ive Im on their books.
Lets put it this way about media..... lets say you go to a doctor about something - he/she percribes you with a drug. You have total confidence in your doctor right? But do you know you doctor was paid by the drug companys to give you that drug werther you needed it or not! Doctors get bit handouts by the drug companys. Dont you think the media is the same?
I can tell you one fact thats not reported by media - the drug valium gives people altzhimers and children Autiusm. Every Media company knows this but wont report on it... because of blocks from govenment and payments by drug companys.
Anyway - you remind me of an someone who does not believe in God - someone can show you every everidence that God exsists, even miricles performed infront of you... yet you will still need more proof.
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Your lack of knowledge on this matter is staggering. Absolutely mindless drivel. You have no apparent idea of how medical funding works, you can't differentiate between a GP, consultancy, acute or community activity, and to suggest that the Media won't get involved because they're - and this is where I get confused - funded or blocked by the Government and/or drug companies? Are you serious?
Did you know that there is more money to be made in non Pharm than there is in Pharm from a suppleirs point of view? That most Pharm revenue ("drug" revenue to you) is determined by patent and locked down by the drug tariff rates which are independently set? I could go on but you'd ignore it because it doesn't fit in to your warped view of truth.
You, sir, are an idiot. Good day.
In a thread where the validity of evidence is being debated, to come in with bold claims such as these with absolutely no evidence is pretty rich.
If you're going to claim things like this, you're going to have to provide some evidence. Why should anyone believe you?
edit: is this a joke? I think I've been drawn too far into this thread now...
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Ah well - you can have your opinions mate. Some of my best friends are doctors and top medical consotants in my area that run the medical health system... and also the personal doctor to man United - do you think I then have my facts wrong? Are you a doctor my friend?
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Don't tell me, you also believe MMR gives children autism and that you only believe in alternative medicine prescribed by your quack?
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You can quite easily prove the valium/autism thing by giving us the link to the journal which published this research proving a link. Without this, you have nothing but conjecture.
I'm beginning to think you are either a complete lunatic or a troll.
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MMR does not give Autism.
Valium is part of a group of drugs that are called benzodiazipians that are recognised as being unsafe - they have actually been withdrawn from the market in many forms or limited to only a few days use.
As for everdance - Id gladly show you but I dont have any on this PC - if you do a google you prob will find them anyway... I really dont need to proove it to you as its openly avalible.
Oh and you will NEVER find anything useful medical Journals as their research is funded by drug companys - always go inderpendent.
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I'm not disputing the amount of evidence, I'm questioning the authenticity of the evidence presented from both sides of the fence. I disbelieve them both. I don't think that, say, the Bilderberg group is behind a big 'social control' conspiracy, but I also don't believe their agenda is perfectly innocent and transparent.
I could provide an example of a conspiracy theory which I am becoming more inclined to believe, if you'd like? It's perhaps the only one I've found to be credible, and as such has made me question the honesty of a number of other things. (my example is regarding ADHD and ritalin)
P.S. I'm really enjoying this debate
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All of them?
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Yep! Sad but true.
It's true that not everything you see in the media is fact. The Sunday Times exposed MI6's Mass Appeal operation, for example, detailing how the service sought to convince the British public that Iraq posed a much greater threat than it actually did by planting stories in the media.
For the record, I don't believe there is any sort of overarching conspiracy.
For the record, I don't believe there is any sort of overarching conspiracy.
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Medical journals are the gold standard for accepted practice, review of practice, and discussion of practice in this and all developed countries. Funding can and does occur but there are very clear lines on who can fund what and for which reason.
I'm finished here. I can't really be bothered trying to explain this to you.