What's wrong with living to work?

I was more referring to your opinion of yourself and needing chloroform to get a girlfriend.

Well, my image of myself is something that I joke about really. I don't want to come across as a someone who simply feels sorry for themselves or something.

Getting a girlfriend is certainly achievable for the majority of people but meh, too much effort.
 
Cool, how did you actually 'start' it? I have seen a lot of companies offering Reselling - is that something you did/do? etc... I'm interested because I've just finished setting up an online business (not in IT though) - nothing big or glamorous yet :p

I started in 2002 when a friend of mine had a $15/month reseller package from an American "one man band" provider who couldn't manage a server if his life depended on it.

He was desperate (customers complaining all over the shop) so I took the fledgling business off his hands.

Once I'd kicked the provider into touch, got myself my first server (Duron 1000, 1GB RAM) and learnt a thing or two about how bloody difficult the industry is (even back in 2002) it came on leaps and bounds.

In 2003 I formed the company which exists today.

It was 2004 before I could give up my consultancy work and 2007 before I started taking on staff instead of contractors and outsourcing.

In 2009 we've got a revolutionary product which is unrivalled in the UK market, incredible growth, fantastic client retention and I can actually take a day off safe in the knowledge it won't all crumble around my ears.

Unfortunately I'm not allowed to sell you a reseller package on this forum as it would be seen as self promotion (as if the above self-serving twaddle isn't :p)) but I'm sure if you posted in HTML, G&P they would help you out.

Best of luck with your venture :)
 
Unfortunately I'm not allowed to sell you a reseller package on this forum as it would be seen as self promotion (as if the above self-serving twaddle isn't :p)) but I'm sure if you posted in HTML, G&P they would help you out.

Best of luck with your venture :)

Thanks (and its already hosted lol... :p )
 
Adz, can tell you work hard, always reply to e-mails pretty damn quick , even early in the mornings - far better support than I've had from other hosting companies :)

Ahh.... Jan. I think we've spoken on the phone a few times too?

Nice to put a name to an... OcUK name :).
 
In the early days though I'd work a full day (8am to 8pm) then set off for the datacentre (1.5 hours drive), spend 4 hours there, another 1.5 hours back then be up again at 7 to start all over again. All on my own. That's what living to work is like and I can tell you it's not for everyone, even if it does pay off in the end.

A fair point, when you get to a certain point it becomes a balance for most people and if you are lucky enough to be able to have control or influence over it then you should take advantage of it. I have employed people over the years who have claimed to be hard working and committed to being a 'winner' but have failed to last a few months, in some cases a few days. Sure they wanted the nice car, expenses account, nice lifestyle and perks but simply felt they could do what they had always done, yet oddly in doing that they never had what they aspired to have. Odd that...

Last week I was discussing this with a friend who is earning very good money and he was telling me how he wasn't happy because he felt he should be earning quarter of a million per annum. I had to explain to him that to do this would mean he'd have to stop his side interests, see a week as 7 days not 4 and kiss goodbye to his buoyant social life and generally work a lot harder than he thought he was. It was like a light bulb came on and for him it was obvious he should reset his ambitions to something more realistic….or put all his efforts into his side interests!

Planning is key really as working hard and long hours is not something I would advise to anyone seeking to reach a retirement age. Do it young, get it right and then enjoy the fruits of your labour and always remember one thing. If you want to earn REAL money you need to own it, run it or steal it!
 
Planning is key really as working hard and long hours is not something I would advise to anyone seeking to reach a retirement age. Do it young, get it right and then enjoy the fruits of your labour and always remember one thing. If you want to earn REAL money you need to own it, run it or steal it!

True. Labour is taxed more than land\means of production ownership.
 
True. Labour is taxed more than land\means of production ownership.

Absolutely. Employing people is expensive. Salary (of which tax and NICs are deducted), employer's NIC (people underestimate how much this is), office space, complying with health and safety legislation, insurances, sick cover, maternity/paternity leave... It's difficult. It was certainly much simpler when it was just me but I wouldn't go back for all the tea in china.
 
I'd love to "live to work".

Personally (in my own depressed sense of things) I don't see the point in working at all, especially "working to live".
 
OT slightly, but to all those who are employees of smaller businesses you should take time to read this:

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

However, let me tell you some little titbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests. First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a Back Story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my home at last year’s Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don't see is the BACK STORY :

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a bedsit for 3 years. My entire front room was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Pot Noodles because every penny I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Vauxhall Chevette with a defective gearbox. I didn't have time to meet women. Often, I stayed home at weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest £25K a year and spent every penny they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the High Streets for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the holidays... you never realise the Back Story and the sacrifices I've made. Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their wages suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed decades of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have Corporation Tax, Personal Tax, Business Rates, Community Tax, Value Added Tax, Employers N.I., Taxes on Taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him.

Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On December 15th, I wrote a cheque to the UK Treasury for £140,000 corporation tax. You know what my return on that was? Zero. Nada. Zilch. Nothing.

The question I have is this:
Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 23 people good paying jobs and serves over 1,000,000 people per year with a flourishing business?

Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next Giro? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country. The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your wages you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand .. to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had the government suddenly mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that £144,000 into the London black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? You defibrillate his heart. Business is at the heart of this country and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in London believe the work-shy spongers are the essential drivers of the economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you and I fire your colleagues. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your car finance, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem anymore.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm FED-UP. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy, it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steam-rolled the moral fabric of the nation, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

This was taken from the Gartman Letter and it may well be made up but it rings very true...
 
Absolutely. Employing people is expensive. Salary (of which tax and NICs are deducted), employer's NIC (people underestimate how much this is), office space, complying with health and safety legislation, insurances, sick cover, maternity/paternity leave... It's difficult. It was certainly much simpler when it was just me but I wouldn't go back for all the tea in china.

I am thinking of starting my own business, but I have pretty much nothing to start with (which is pretty much what is stopping me bettering my own situation). Taking a loan isn't particularly appealing either...
 
OT slightly, but to all those who are employees of smaller businesses you should take time to read this:

To All My Valued Employees...this was taken from the Gartman Letter and it may well be made up but it rings very true...

Whilst I understand all of that and sympathise with it, I don't like the single mother remark.

Maybe its just an assumption on my part or I'm reading too much into it, but whenever times are bad or people want an explanation, they blame the poor for the country's problems.
 
I am thinking of starting my own business, but I have pretty much nothing to start with (which is pretty much what is stopping me bettering my own situation). Taking a loan isn't particularly appealing either...

I guess it depends what your idea is.

To launch a business you either need to have a completely new idea and be fairly confident of it being a success or you need to look at someone else's business and decide that you can do it better/more efficiently. If you are sure of either of those things you won't hesitate to take out that loan.

Starting your own business is not something you should enter into unlesss you're absolutely certain. Most small business owners I've met are miserable, soul-less, obsessive, alcoholic, insomniac workaholics. It's not glamorous until you "make it big" which may be a long way down the line.
 
Nothing at all wrong with it imo, I work 12 hour shifts in blocks.. my shift pattern is like this:

4 Nights, 3 off, 3 Days, 1 off, 3 Nights, 3 off, 4 days, 7 off.. and to most people especially my freinds they say that I always seem to be at work, when infact if you add all those together, that's a month, and 14 of those days i'm off. So in a way I know that apart from my week off I always look like i'm working.. and I do this job to live, because I get a great deal from knowing that each and every day i'm here i'm helping someone in need of help..
 
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