The thread was about homeless people... I said that there are those who are drug users, IE. those percentages of homeless people who are drug users . . .
I understand you're logic.
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I understand you're logic.
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Disagree. Effort doesn't equate to success. In fact, stealing and dishonesty seems to be a better way of getting ahead in life.
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Hope the missus is ok As some ocuk members signature says, "tish and pish".
Effort is what makes you the person you are. Successful or not, that boils down to you and the girl in York was a prime example.
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i feel sorry for them all because i know i would hate to be in there position!
once after a nightout in the town i walked past 1 guy sat outside a shop, was middle of december last year and was about a week before xmas i stopped looked at him and he looked so cold and hungry and my stomach just sank i was just thinking of ways i could help but i couldnt do anything about it!
i turned around went to a takeaway bought him a hot drink large chips, kebab and a burger and i said merry xmas he asked me what my name was then he said "thank you mark merry xmas" and he smiled at me and it made me feel a lot better then i helped only a little but atleast i did something for him!
once after a nightout in the town i walked past 1 guy sat outside a shop, was middle of december last year and was about a week before xmas i stopped looked at him and he looked so cold and hungry and my stomach just sank i was just thinking of ways i could help but i couldnt do anything about it!
i turned around went to a takeaway bought him a hot drink large chips, kebab and a burger and i said merry xmas he asked me what my name was then he said "thank you mark merry xmas" and he smiled at me and it made me feel a lot better then i helped only a little but atleast i did something for him!
No, he used to park his Escort on the side street that runs down from Route 66, bear in mind though that this was before they introduced residential parking permits. We used to see him sitting in the car counting his 'earnings' nearly every Saturday when we were coming from the Woodsman and walking to a mate's flat.
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I used to have little sympathy for homless people. Like many people on here I used to think that if they wanted to get off the street then there were plenty of hostels and help etc to get off.
My GF now works for a young persons charity which often deals with homless people. It has really opened my eyes. There really is hardly any help out there, and the majority of homless people are far from being scum, they are simply people who have had a run of bad luck or made some poor decisions. You might think they can just stay in hostels, but a lot of people delibarately stay away from hostels as they are rife with hard drugs and violence. There is a huge lack of suitable accomodation out there for homless people, and unless they are under 18 or considered very vunerable (and I mean very) they are likely to be turned away as there is nowhere for them to stay.
Getting a job is hard at the best of times, especially at the moment. But try doing it when you have no permanent address, clean clothes or education. Then most benfits are also hard to get if you have no address.
There simply is nowhere near enough support out there to get people off the street. I think its shamefull that in a rich western county we can let this many people live on the street. Ok, there are a few people who choose to live on the streets, and some that may deserve it, but the majority have the right to basic shelter and food.
My GF now works for a young persons charity which often deals with homless people. It has really opened my eyes. There really is hardly any help out there, and the majority of homless people are far from being scum, they are simply people who have had a run of bad luck or made some poor decisions. You might think they can just stay in hostels, but a lot of people delibarately stay away from hostels as they are rife with hard drugs and violence. There is a huge lack of suitable accomodation out there for homless people, and unless they are under 18 or considered very vunerable (and I mean very) they are likely to be turned away as there is nowhere for them to stay.
Getting a job is hard at the best of times, especially at the moment. But try doing it when you have no permanent address, clean clothes or education. Then most benfits are also hard to get if you have no address.
There simply is nowhere near enough support out there to get people off the street. I think its shamefull that in a rich western county we can let this many people live on the street. Ok, there are a few people who choose to live on the streets, and some that may deserve it, but the majority have the right to basic shelter and food.
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I like it when all the beggars in Hanley group together and then get on their mobile phones.
Thats quite a retarded comment - a significant portion of them did join the military and that is part of the reason they are now homeless.
Obviously the younger generation has a high portion of druggies etc.. but the elderly tramps you'll see generally aren't smack heads.
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I don't understand the comments about the mobile phones. Why are homeless peoiple not allowed to own mobile phones? I doubt very much that they're running £50 a month contracts on the latest i-phone. If you want them to get jobs, how can an employer contact them if they have no address and no telephone number?
Anyway, my opinion on most things like this is that no sane and rational person would ever choose to sleep on the streets, beg on the streets or live in temporary accommodation. Therefore there must be something wrong in their lives that has driven them to that state. It's true that for many it will be drugs - but even this will be affected by the upbringing they were unlucky enough to be landed with. If we can bail the greedy bankers out with hundreds of billions of pounds then I think we've got a duty to invest a few million more here and there to help out the most needy in our 'civilised' society.
Anyway, my opinion on most things like this is that no sane and rational person would ever choose to sleep on the streets, beg on the streets or live in temporary accommodation. Therefore there must be something wrong in their lives that has driven them to that state. It's true that for many it will be drugs - but even this will be affected by the upbringing they were unlucky enough to be landed with. If we can bail the greedy bankers out with hundreds of billions of pounds then I think we've got a duty to invest a few million more here and there to help out the most needy in our 'civilised' society.
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Mobile phones are a bit pointless when you've got nowhere to charge them up unless cardboard boxes come with power supplies.
The point is that a lot of 'homeless beggars' who pull their mobile phones out are not homeless but just begging.
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There was a prog on CH4 about an ex-army Major who built a company on outward bound type training and he decided to put something back in the community by helping the homeless, firstly round London and then other cities.
Guess what he discovered?
A massively disproportionate number of the homeless were ex-army.
Some had mental problems from combat and some just could not adjust to civilian life after years of being part of a very structured organisation.
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You can be homeless without sleeping on the streets. There are dozens of hostels in every city housing people who have no home.
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Just because you manage doesn't mean everyone can. The main reason being that your not always entirely in control of your own life.
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No what makes you who you are is your life experiences and your genetics. That can include but is not exclusive to effort.
I do feel sorry for them but there are different levels and you can't just tar everyone with the same homeless bunch.
Here in Belgium there are professional women who are dropped off at locations throughout brussels to work for money begging.
At a busy supermarket entrance where the wealthy will drop off 1€ at a time they probably make more per hour than me at peak times
Here in Belgium there are professional women who are dropped off at locations throughout brussels to work for money begging.
At a busy supermarket entrance where the wealthy will drop off 1€ at a time they probably make more per hour than me at peak times
i think i watched that program as well
was pretty sad tho how they became completely lost without rules and people telling them what to do etc