I hope china shoots it down just for the lulz to see what NK would do
I actually laughed out loud at that Tefal, was going to add 'I wonder who would shoot at for ****s and giggles'
North Korea threatens full scale war if rocket is intercepted
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I actually laughed out loud at that Tefal, was going to add 'I wonder who would shoot at for ****s and giggles'
You must be joking. If you completely destroy the country's infrastructure and government, you'l have to do a lot more than "offer them assistance". You might as well just annex them and get it over with.
Annexing requires sending our troops there, my method does not.
I should have probably worded it better ...b y infrastructure I did not mean the civic side of power/fuel/water, I meant the government side of all the ministries and so on.
Seriously. This would not work. Even if you could cleanly kill all of the government, the country would immidiately descend into anarchy. The most extreme group left would probably come into power as millions starved in the countryside.
Military intervention CAN work, but you need incredible finesse to pull it off, and you need to kill as few people as possible. What you have described is basically the Allied plan for Iraq.
He already did, the videos had accounts from people who witnessed it.
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Bah, most of their nukes are pointing towards China anyway!
Is that true? Would be a bit harsh given that Chinese aid is what keeps them in power.
So is owning foreign literature, complaining of being hungry, talking about democracy in private. He might not be top but he is well up there.
End of the day, if there was any intention of invasion it would have happened by now.
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To use an analogy ... rinse and repeat ... until the people of that country get the picture that you will not let them be a menace to others and run their country properly and by the book.
This would cost billions of pounds, hundreds of thousands of lives and get you nowhere. The reason that a sixth to a third of the world lives in abject poverty and oppression is that democracy and quality governance like ours (yes, like ours. Yes, ours is a long way from perfect) is a very very difficult trick to pull off.
I admire your utopianism, but it does not correlate with how people actually work. Do some reading - I recommend 'The Bottom Billion' by Paul Collier, not because it is necessarily 'right' or has all the answers but 'cause it's a good introduction to some of the issues involved here. Although it focuses more on Africa.
No, but it should if you're destroying the government completely. Obviously not the same if you didn't mean the civic side, because that's the biggest part of infrastructure.
But even if it is just the government part of it, you are essentially creating the ideal situations for a power struggle in the country. No government at all except a puppet one that would be supported for whatever reasons serve the country setting it up best, not what would serve Korea best. Do you think anyone would even entertain the notion of ensuring a stable power there with nuclear weapons? no. Even though its grossly unfair to possess them and then tell others to get rid of them. There is plenty of evidence as to why arms control does not contribute to international security.
(Please ask if you want the evidence. I just finished writing an essay on a similar topic).
Which vid had accounts of systematic and widespread rape as an official form of state punishment?
Did you not see the msnbc article I posted? It was on Camp 22 alone, and it states that there are many others like it all over North Korea, with some that are even gargantuan - one of the camps are three times as large as the US capital district. In all of these camps, atrocities such as rape, forced abortions, ad-hoc executions, weapons testing and so on are committed.
So yes. Widespread atrocities, as an official form of state punishment. If you really wish to keep arguing this point, you're a disgusting human being for denying any of this and painting NK as less of a repulsive country than it really is. People like you who go
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to any attempts of bringing awareness to the reality inside the region are why Kim Jong Il's regime is still getting off scot-free to this day.
If you want a confrontation over this you're getting one, only because it helps to inform everyone else in this thread who apparently don't have any idea what it's really like in the country amidst all their 'hurr they're gonna get blown up' posting. It is unacceptable that practically nobody knows the grim reality of North Korea. And even worse that certain individuals attempt to downplay it.
I was not aware of that. It certainly doesn't seem to be something that's particulary publicised in the media.
LOL...nice...I said rubbish to YOUR post...not to 'any attempt at bringing awareness;. Please dont make things up.
There is no mention of rape, let alone sanctioned rape as punishment in the MSNBC article..Where is it?
The problem in my eyes is more than certain people buy into everything they read on the internet and suggest things like going to war as a decent option.
I can assure you, ive read and heard a lot about the situation. Having lived in seoul for 3 years...Ive also been exposed to things other than the standard American media theatrics.
Im not defending the regime, what an offensive and ridiculous thing to say. I simply have a problem with people being overly emotive and dramatic about a situation which needs objectivity and level headedness.
Kim will be dead soon, if hes not already..and there is no serious successor. When he dies, things WILL change.
I think what goes on there is horrific...but suggesting that a military solution is an option is insane. The amount of civilian casualties on both sides of Korea will be incalculable. Any military action that leads to a war will destroy both North and South Korea. Millions will die. Millions more will be homeless and starving.
Sometimes the solution can be worse than the problem. Its just not a good idea to get super emotive about these issues. It leads to people screaming out for military action, as can be seen in this thread.
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at the end of the day, everyone will back out of what they said because they are cowards (not you guys ).
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