Any designers nice enough to create me a logo?
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The company I work for went down this route a couple of times to divert pressure from its in-house Design team.
The results were unusable.
As one of the in-house Designers, I felt vindicated.
Like most other things, you get what you pay for. Here's a relevant example.
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Wizard Keyaz: while your business will be able to get by with a cheap logo to start with, once it reaches a certain level it will need the unique skills of a professional Designer. Anyone can change a lightbulb; not everyone has the skill/experience to rewire a house. A logo does more work than you think.
Nimzicki and Energize: you could solve your argument by spelling 'designer' with a capital D
. While I would normally adopt Nim's stance and get embroiled in a lengthy justification, I've learned to appreciate the futility of defending my profession.The Olympic logo: the layperson forgets - or is ignorant of the fact - that a logo has a function. Therefore it has been judged on form only, removed from all context. Judge it when it's on big signposts throughout London, providing non-English-speaking Olympic visitors with an instantly recognisable and reassuring icon.
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reflux - I am inclined to agree with both you and simisker in that it is clearly futile to defend something that is omnipresent yet completely misunderstood by 99% of the general public.
simisker - That link is pure brilliance. Thank you
Suppose I should go back to finding another job, the recession hit my agency hard and is now nearly half the size it was, I was in the unlucky half due to being new to the company. Of course this due to those people that again, having completely misunderstood the power of graphic design, cutting their marketing budget in true British knee-jerk reaction fashion
simisker - That link is pure brilliance. Thank you
Suppose I should go back to finding another job, the recession hit my agency hard and is now nearly half the size it was, I was in the unlucky half due to being new to the company. Of course this due to those people that again, having completely misunderstood the power of graphic design, cutting their marketing budget in true British knee-jerk reaction fashion
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Just a quick idea that i came up with this morning, im pleased with the outcome i must say.
i just laughed like a madman, im sure normally i would have just smirked though.
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Yes I'm clearly wrong when every dictionary defines a designer as someone who designs something.You are simply making up your own definition of designer to inflate your ego by placing yourself into a "professional" elite group. I see the same thing often among artists.
Couldnt be bothered reading the rest of the thread, but going by your thoery so far i have so far been tonight:
a) chef
b) carpenter
c) painter
d) mixologist
e) novolist/journalist
All in about 5hours, I'll go put it on my CV
Iam with the guy that is arguing with designers, Iam currently studying digital media design and what i hate seeing on places loooking for freelance is student like myself offering to do a website for say £300 and the some kid coming along saying he could "knock something up for £50 and a bag of haribo"
It irks me how poeple consider themselves designers when they ahve no clue about the subject. there's more to it than putting something togeather that "looks pretty" you need to think about market responce, thoughts and atmosphere created byt the peice, what the design says about the company etc etc
It's not a theory, it's a factual definition. For a start a chef is defined as a professional cook, someone who is the head of kitchen in a resturant, so no you would not have been a chef. I'm not stating that someone who does something once or twice is a designer, just that it doesn't need to be done as a job.
This website would seriously help some people in this thread.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/
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Sous Chef, isn't the head of the kitchen
Sous chef and chef are 2 different things with different definitions, anyway I just wanted to post that link.
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how? they still cook professionaly
google defins a chef as: a professional cook
and a sous chef as: some-one under the head chef.
edit: and I was the only one in the kitchen at that point, i was in control of the kitchen so going buy your defination I would have been "the chef"
To save us all some valuable time and bring this thread to an accelerated conclusion:
Energize, it's clear from what you are saying that you'd like to gradually ostracise designers by making them wear special badges, each of which have been personally hand-crafted by you, in enforced ghettos.
You would then like to round them up, confiscating their Adobe licences, Pantone swatchbooks and other valuables, before locomotiving them to specially constructed work camps where they work for free just before you gas them en masse and throw their pale under-muscled bodies into graves that you made them dig yourself.
Energize, you are Hitler. Not like him. You ARE him.
Right, that's Godwin's Law invoked in no uncertain terms. Can we move on now?
Energize, it's clear from what you are saying that you'd like to gradually ostracise designers by making them wear special badges, each of which have been personally hand-crafted by you, in enforced ghettos.
You would then like to round them up, confiscating their Adobe licences, Pantone swatchbooks and other valuables, before locomotiving them to specially constructed work camps where they work for free just before you gas them en masse and throw their pale under-muscled bodies into graves that you made them dig yourself.
Energize, you are Hitler. Not like him. You ARE him.
Right, that's Godwin's Law invoked in no uncertain terms.
Can we move on now?
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To save us all some valuable time and bring this thread to an accelerated conclusion:
Energize, it's clear from what you are saying that you'd like to gradually ostracise designers by making them wear special badges, each of which have been personally hand-crafted by you, in enforced ghettos.
You would then like to round them up, confiscating their Adobe licences, Pantone swatchbooks and other valuables, before locomotiving them to specially constructed work camps where they work for free just before you gas them en masse and throw their pale under-muscled bodies into graves that you made them dig yourself.
Energize, you are Hitler. Not like him. You ARE him.
Right, that's Godwin's Law invoked in no uncertain terms.
No, cause you used a Law and quoted about history and therefor your a Historian Lawyer........
*runs out of thread*
I won't talk to someone who doesn't understand what hypocrisy is or who doesn't understand that an opinion is not an argument because it contains no premise or conclusion, or who puts words into my mouth. Hence me ignoring you from now on.
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And you. I don't talk to people who resort to personal insults.
The thing is I never said people should work for free anywhere, I do find it rather amusing that people get so angry, even calling me a hypocrite over something I never even said.
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Yep thats pretty much right and probably the reason none of the designers (myself included) have actually put in a serious design - to the OP, if you're serious feel free to contact me or one of the other designers for a quote
Would the OP offer his services for free
Another forum I frequent has a rule in place where no posts requesting 'services' for free are in place, maybe ocuk should implement something similar if its not already in place. On this site, we are all willing to help with a design thats in progress (ie tips, improvements etc) but none of us want to do our work for free (we have bills to pay
) Also pretty much all of the designers (majority are American admittedly) live by the no spec philosophy which can easily be applied in the UK under UK prices etc.
It's even more irritating for me personally when a commercial enterprise/business (charities are 50/50) is requesting free work as all of this is tax deductable or if it's a new company should have been taken into consideration as a start up cost.
As to the arguement on being called a designer etc, anyone can put together a design of something, its how well they put it together which determines whether that person is someone who can be called a designer.
There's also a lot more to design than making a pretty picture
It's like me trying to build a wall, yes I can do it, but it would take 10x longer and be nowhere near as neat as my dad who's been a builder his whole life, plus I'd never be able to do any of the fancy brickwork he can.
I won't talk to someone who doesn't understand what hypocrisy is or who doesn't understand that an opinion is not an argument because it contains no premise or conclusion, or who puts words into my mouth. Hence me ignoring you from now on.
So you can't come up with anything valid, you find some incomprehensible reason to put me down and now you're going to ignore me. Real mature
I love how you have failed to comprehend most of what has been said to you yet you still claim that its other people that are misunderstanding things. I know full well what hypocrisy is and its quite obvious why I pointed out your other post, whether you accept that or not, everyone else here can see how ridiculous your replies have been.
Who states an opinion when they have no conviction/premise/conclusion/point, surely thats just masturbation without ejaculation? Have fun with that.
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lsg1r: Just to be a stalking *******, please update your font in your folio website, and some of your alignment needs some work
i want to read a decent book about design...i know thats like say i want to read a book wth poeple in it, but like, i dont know, one that would change my way of thinking and start questioning myself...hhhm....i don't know tbh, kinda hard for me to explain what i want from said book. Infatc just got any you would recomend?
i want to read a decent book about design...i know thats like say i want to read a book wth poeple in it, but like, i dont know, one that would change my way of thinking and start questioning myself...hhhm....i don't know tbh, kinda hard for me to explain what i want from said book. Infatc just got any you would recomend?
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Cheers, looking into it just now. Know of any that would help me being more critical and have a better design vocabulary. I know i'm going to fail straight away as a designer here by saying this* but I admit I'm not the best, just out of cheer laziness at the moment, but yet I can happily critise some-ones work, tell them areas to improve on, what to adjust or change, in other words I'm sort of like a Simon Cowell of the design world- he tells other what their singing is like but can't sing himself.
*we're taught that basically the bigger headed you are, the more sure and confident you are on your own work the more succesfull you would be- not in those exact words but basically that was it.
ps I know to be a critic I would need to improve on my grammar and spelling, or atleast hire a very good proof reader!
*we're taught that basically the bigger headed you are, the more sure and confident you are on your own work the more succesfull you would be- not in those exact words but basically that was it.
ps I know to be a critic I would need to improve on my grammar and spelling, or atleast hire a very good proof reader!
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