Do you take multivitamin tablets?
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Back up what claim? Your the one making a claim - the claim that these pills had a real effect i.e. that your recovery wasn't down to a placebo effect or simply reverting to the mean.
I'm asking you to provide evidence that multi vitamin pills produce an effect that is greater than that of a placebo in curing skin condition?
Not surprisingly you cant.
Have you heard about observer bias? You happened to notice your condition improve at the same time you took the pills and based on that singular observation you are now making a claim as to the effectiveness of those pills.
Basically you've made an unsubstantiated claim based on your personal belief. You don't seem to understand that to make such a claim you need actual evidence such as a clinical trial.
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ACtually it sounds like, basic logic. Farmers HAVE to rotate and leave parts of their land empty aswell as use lots and lots of fertilizer and added things to the soils to keep them "healthy". Why, because the turnover, massive crop numbers, larger crops, taller wheat etc, etc, if they don't rotate the fields and "rest" fields sometimes for a good few years the crops are far worse, and essentially useless, why, because the soil is quite literally so low on the things crops need to grow they don't grow effectively. That is catagorical proof that due to the intense farming we do now the soil is less nutrient rich and the crops simply aren't as good quality in the massive scale farming we do now as it used to be.
Ask any farmer in the world today and they will tell you the vegetables grow faster, bigger, but with less quality because thats what the market demands of them.
As for Freefaller saying a healthy adult shouldn't need to add anything extra, well firstly FF is a guy that eats about a gazillion calories a day, that ISN'T a normal diet, most likely you'll be getting excess vitamins and nutrients because you eat more than you need as you're trying to grow. Someone on a normal diet quite literally won't be getting the same nutrition as what they were getting 100 years ago, and no our bodys, genes and needs don't change in such a short period of time.
What is a "normal" diet these days is nothign remotely like a normal diet even 100 years, ago, which likewise is incredibly different to that of a normal diet 5k years ago. The change in our genetic make up, nutritional needs and what we require hasn't particularly changed significantly in thousands of years, yet our diets have change drastically, the manor in which we grow, culivate of breed our food has changed immeasurably.
Egg's aren't as good as they once were, chickens were few and far between and feed a more natural diet of non processed seeds which resulted in a very high omega 3 content, these days the battery farm chickens feed on processed cheap seed that itself is mass produced with little quality produce egg's with far far lower omega 3 content.
All I ever see in the sports forum is people saying if you eat a normal diet you don't need anything extra, yet there is no normal diet, just about no one on earth eats a "natural" healthy diet, infact due to the quality of the foods you can get, from most of the meats, egg's, dairy, vegetable, its all mass produced, its all done to make the most profit, none of it is as high quality as it was. But the most hilarious part is, most of the people in the sports forum don't eat a normal diet anyway, most are dieting/bulking and neither are normal sustainable diets.
As for the people who took vit's and say, I had them for 3 weeks, it made no difference. i can't say why, I can't say what you took, I can't say what you might be deficient in or what your diet is, but neither did really anyone who said they didn't work or help.
But as I said, what you eat now can effect how your body ages and deteriorates 40 years from now. Personally I'd prefer to take some vits, eat a healthy diet, cut out the crap now and stick to a clean healthy diet now, than look back in 40 years with all kinds of medical problems wishing i HAD been eating that way for 40 years while I break my hip kicking myself for not doing so.
People are short sighted, oh, I don't see a benefit right now this instant, I'll do something about it when its a problem. In lots of medical cases its simply too late by then. You can prevent diabetes pretty damn easily by eating right now. HOwever you can eat badly and not feel remotely bad till you get diabetes, but at that point its simply too late. Not doing anythign about your diet because you don't feel instantly better on a so called healthy diet, is about the most stupid thing you'll ever end up doing in your life.
Yes, I understand placebo effects very well.
There is more than enough evidence to show teh body needs certain minerals and vitamins and there's more than enough evidence to show that minerals and vitamins are absorbed from such tablets. Your entire argument is rubbish and unfounded.
You can not say they do nothing as there's more than enough reports saying the vitamins and minerals are absorbed. Yes my experience could be a placebo, but it is 99.999999% chance it's not and I aint spending the money to prove you wrong.
What argument? You're the one putting forward an argument by saying that these vitamins have abenificial effect on your skin problme - I'm simply asking for evidence. Still you have yet to show some.
Why do you believe that they had an effect - are there any studies showing this effect? Is it just something you've personally noticed - do you not therefore see a very obvious problem with this?
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so do you have any actual evidence
its all very well putting forward some stuff that sounds logical but a link to a paper/study would be useful - else you're basically just coming out with the same marketing rubbish vitamin salesmen/nutritionists use.
If you click on this link...
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php
and then select any one of those foods and read the information of its nutritional value you will note that at the end of each description there are references to the studies done etc which support what has been written in the description.
Whether that would help to satisfy you as evidence or not I don't know but for me it does help as a guide to know the nutritional value of some of the foods that I'm eating.
Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, you should avoid using the get out clause of "the proof can only be seen in the future".
Used to take mercury sometimes when I headed out (some may know why) but apart from that, no supplements. It's much better to have a balanced diet instead of relying on tablets.
OK, I have to ask. Why mercury?
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Fish oil and multivitamin, placebo or not I feel better when I take these and eat right.
yes mate
i don't take them all the time, just when i'm feeling a bit low (maybe I should take them everyday tbh)
i also take these.. https://www.yourhealthfoodstore.co.uk/details.php/p1348_quest_acidophilus_plus.html they're like activia yoghurts, but with billions more 'good bacteria' in them, to help general digestion -a member on here suggested I take them, he's a doctor
when I feel dehydrated, i take dioralyte sachets in water (replaces sugars/salts)
send me an email if you want mate
Interesting thread.
I've taken high doses of all the vitamin and mineral groups and some herbs for over 25 years.
I've also read Patrick Holfords book some years ago.
A cousin who I see maybe only once a year said to me at Xmas "How come you look younger every time I see you!"
I was 55 years young on St Patricks day.
I've taken high doses of all the vitamin and mineral groups and some herbs for over 25 years.
I've also read Patrick Holfords book some years ago.
A cousin who I see maybe only once a year said to me at Xmas "How come you look younger every time I see you!"
I was 55 years young on St Patricks day.
So you are totaly ignoring any evidence you can simply google, that shows that vitamin tablets get vitamins into your body and that deficiency of any number of vitamins causes hundreds of different problems.
You really are being silly.
So you are saying people who are anaemic have no benefit from taking iron tablets. Despite all the research and papers on it.
The biggest cause for dry skin from vitamin deficiency is Vitamin A although there is 6 or so vitamins/minerals that play a roll. I'm sure as you are so clued up you can find some research papers.
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I assume drugs, it would certainly explain a lot
Mercury helps to reduce involuntary muscle spasms. Make of that as you will
Genetics.
