15K for a car - options - Honda, Ford, BMW

[TW]Fox;13845628 said:
He's going to say that as the 5 is an E39 and the Mondeo a Mk2 then obviously the relative merits of each are utterly different to the current models.

He is, of course, wrong.

The Mondeo has become more refined since the Mk2, it now cruises much better than before and is a lot quieter and better built. This has not added to its 'fun factor', therefore if a Mk2 Mondeo wasn't 'as fun' as a 5 Series, neither is a Mk4 in theory. Luckily I've had a Mk4 Mondeo for the weekend so was able to confirm this theory, just as I've driven several E60's for reasonable periods of time.

Both cars have moved on but the gap between the 5 series and the Mondeo is still the same. The 5 series is easily better than the Mondeo and as you know I am a bit of a rabid Ford fanboy.
 
I think that this argument has AIDS and that the OP should test drive a 530d & an E320CDI.

The other cars are pish.
 
Both cars have moved on but the gap between the 5 series and the Mondeo is still the same. The 5 series is easily better than the Mondeo and as you know I am a bit of a rabid Ford fanboy.

completly wrong imho, the new mondeo has moved on a lot since the Mk2, the E60 is a great car but more evolution then revolution from the e39.

Still a better car but not by the same margin
 
[TW]Fox;13846020 said:
Well your Dad has, but irrespective, what exactly is your point, that a Mondeo TDCi is more fun to drive than a 530d Sport?
Nope, I don't think one is more "fun" than the other. Both are relatively boring saloons.

It also drops a bit more when he tried to put a Subaru in the same league as a Merc or a BMW.

Have you driven one?
I love all this armchair test drivery. it also seems to match all of his criteria and the Subaru certainly drives better than all the cars suggested so far.
 
Have you driven one?
I love all this armchair test drivery. it also seems to match all of his criteria and the Subaru certainly drives better than all the cars suggested so far.

Don't need to drive one to know that it is in a league below the BMW or a Merc. The Legacy is a superb buy further down the depreciation curve, spending £15k on one is nuts.

Subaru Legacy Estate 2.0TD R 5dr new 21,055. 1yr 11,074. 2yr 9,856. 3yr 7,820. 4yr 6,208

BMW 5 Series Touring 530d SE 5dr New 37,145. 1yr 18,738. 2yr 17,020. 3yr 15,278. 4yr 13,787

The stats don't lie. Spending 15k on a Legacy is akin to throwing money down the drain.
 
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Don't need to drive one to know that it is in a league below the BMW or a Merc. The Legacy is a superb buy further down the depreciation curve, spending £15k on one is nuts.

A league in what way exactly?

Have you actually driven any cars other than that crappy fiesta in your sig?
 
Booyaka,
thanks you seem to be in the same boat, although i do need the practicality of a hatchback/estate

i cant find any E320CDIs in my price range for less then 40K miles.

I'll look in to the subaru, may not spend the full 15K on one but i'll have a look :)

it seems that its 80% BMW and 20% the rest!

Fox, Booyaka et al, what are the running costs of the beemers? i always thought the bmw was the sort of car you didnt need to spend money maintaining (other then the obvious wear and tear) as it maintained itself?
 
Booyaka,
thanks you seem to be in the same boat, although i do need the practicality of a hatchback/estate

i cant find any E320CDIs in my price range for less then 40K miles.

I'll look in to the subaru, may not spend the full 15K on one but i'll have a look :)

it seems that its 80% BMW and 20% the rest!

Fox, Booyaka et al, what are the running costs of the beemers? i always thought the bmw was the sort of car you didnt need to spend money maintaining (other then the obvious wear and tear) as it maintained itself?
Lots to go wrong on the Diesels.

Injectors, Turbochargers, Swirl Flaps should be applicable to your model, I think the tranmissions on those are ok though.
There May also be DPF which can cause problems on some cars.

Personally I would go for a petrol if you can find one, the MPG shouldb't be too bad either.
 
A league in what way exactly?

Have you actually driven any cars other than that crappy fiesta in your sig?

Ah yes, the old failsafe. I'm losing an argument so I will call your car crap because I can't construct any better argument. What I drive has nothing to do with this.

It may drive as good but it will never be as well built, refined and as comfortable as the German equivalent add to that the naff looking dash and poor depreciation. When the guy comes to sell it the Subaru will be worth half as much as the BMW.
 
Ah yes, the old failsafe. I'm losing an argument so I will call your car crap because I can't construct any better argument. What I drive has nothing to do with this.

It may drive as good but it will never be as well built, refined and as comfortable as the German equivalent add to that the naff looking dash and poor depreciation. When the guy comes to sell it the Subaru will be worth half as much as the BMW.
But you seem to sit there saying this car is great and that car isn't when you actually havent driven them or any other cars, what on earth do you form your opinions on?
 
Where have I said any car is "great"? The BMW is clearly the better buy when it comes to what he wants. Yes the Legacy is a decent enough car but the depreciation is WAY too heavy to make buying a nearly new one viable. By all means spend 8k on a Legacy but for gods sake, look at the facts, spending 15k on one is unwise.

The Legacy is a League below in dealer support, depreciation and build quality. It's only real redeeming feature is that it is good to drive.
 
Just look a bit further up, you are slating and praising cars you've never sat in or drove.

I haven't lavished praise on any car, I've been very careful with my words.

Subaru Legacy Estate 2.0TD R 5dr new 21,055. 1yr 11,074. 2yr 9,856. 3yr 7,820. 4yr 6,208

BMW 5 Series Touring 530d SE 5dr New 37,145. 1yr 18,738. 2yr 17,020. 3yr 15,278. 4yr 13,787

Resale value would effect my choice in this case. When it comes to selling it I'd rather get some money back rather than giving it away in depreciation.

The Subaru never aims to be as good as the BMW, it's designed for a completely different market. It's the OP's choice of weather they want £37k worth of car for 15k or 21k worth of car for 15k.

The Legacy is a cracking buy when it becomes a 8k/6k car, at 15k it is not a good buy.
 
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