Teachers demand 10% pay increase - Thoughts?

FrostedNipple · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:34

Matt said:
I think they get about 13weeks holiday, whereas most people get 4weeks.

So to do roughly the same amount of hours over a year as in a normal job they would have to do approx 10hr days. So roughly 8am-7pm inc 1hr for lunch. I very much doubt the majority of teachers do that every day.

It does also seem like teachers are always complaining about being paid so little. If its that bad then why don't they quit and do a normal job?! oh yeah... only 4weeks holiday, poor benefits, bad pensions, and paid even less.

Actually the majority of my teachers were in the school by 8am, and most would stay to at least 5. Then there is all the work they take back with them, things they have to mark etc, tbh government teachers are not getting anywhere near the wage they could get if they went into the private schools.

Matthew-1985 · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:37

Other school staff won't get anything near 10% (me included) so why should teachers? :mad:

mattyfez · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:37

I think they are having a laugh TBH, The rest of the nation (those that have jobs) are thankfull to keep them, nevermind asking for more money.
Government couldn't possibly justify a raise when so many are on reduced hours/pay.

I want less red tape for teachers as much as the next person, but not looking at the real issue and simply holding thier hands out for more money, really does prove they have thier heads in the sand.

As others have said, if it is really that bad, they know where the door is.

leaskovski · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:38

haha, good one. I wish I would get a 10% payrise. Im pretty sure that I put more hours in than some teachers, and my job is more skilled than them.

Glaucus · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:44

Duke said:
If only the public sector in general could be like that. Make them work for progressive rise, .

even though I'm not classed as public sector, I basically am in terms of it's structure, and so wish this was the case. One pay for all is such a retarded idea. it means people can do nothing and get the same as those of us who work hard. it means people don't try and you don't get the best out the work force. On top of that we don't even have localised bonuses so that's not really an incentive either.

Ev0 · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:45

Well I'm public sector and our pay is 'performance' based, if you perform ok in your assessment you get levelled up, if you don't perform then you stay where you are.

theukmoog · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:46

In the current economic climate, no way!

No one is forcing them to be 'underpaid' teachers... if they don't like it, quit and find a better paid job (and good luck with that atm).

Luseac · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:47

I just don't see where this money will come from? Oh yes that’s right, the productive part of the economy which will yet again get shafted through high taxes. To those that say teachers work long hours, guess what? So do those in the private sector and they do it without the 13 weeks holiday, pay increments dependant on performance not how long they've been there and without a final salary pension.

Ripper · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:49

I'd welcome it, I qualify in two months

Ranger07 · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:49

Pure greed IMO

Most people are happy to keep their jobs at the moment never mind demanding huge pay rises. The annoying thing is the government will probably give in.

crazyDAJT · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:52

i just love this one

One said she was so fed up with the job's strains and repaying her £25,000 student loan that she was going abroad.

so what does the student loan have anything to about it, lol

Sankari · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:54

monkeysmith said:
How does everyone feel about this? Being a teacher myself, I think it is a little crazy. Sure a 10% pay rise would be lovely, who wouldn't want it. But not really fair is it with others stuggling to stay in employment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7996920.stm

How outraged would you be if strikes went ahead? Think teachers deserve a pay rise after years of below inflation rises?

10% is too steep. Something a bit lower yet still under the rate of inflation is fine.

Disclaimer: my wife is a teacher (head of department at a performing arts academy).

Luseac · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:54

In fairness she was probably paying £100 a month. Shock horror!

Richdog · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:55

Maybe if the people who taught our children were compensated enough for dealing mostly with scum whose parents can't be arsed to teach them how to behave, then maybe they would feel more motivated to put more effort into what is generally a thankless and very stressful career, but yet undoubtedly shapes the future of future generations of this country.

dannyjo22 · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:56

leaskovski said:
Im pretty sure that I put more hours in than some teachers, and my job is more skilled than them.

Then I'm sure your taking home more money than them currently.

You can't have it both ways, people are always bitching about the standard of education, well if you want the smartest and the best to teach our children you have to pay decent wages and give it a salary that makes people consider it rather than another profession.

Balls to all this 'not in the current climate'. They didn't get massive pay rises when the country was doing well and everyone was employeed. People would still say it was greedy even if we wasn't in recession.

Fair play to them if they can get it. Its just a bargaining starting point that creates a headline. I doubt any of them actually expect anywhere near 10%.

Mullins · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:58

Rosbif said:
My mother is a teacher, and I would agree that they deserve a pay increase given the amount of UNPAID work she does outside of School.

That isn't unpaid work, teachers are paid a salary to do their job, and are not on paid an hourly basis. They are expected to do work outside of school as there is no way a full time teacher has the time to mark homework, write reports etc. soley within the school opening hours.

Ev0 · 13 Apr 2009 at 18:59

dannyjo22 said:
Balls to all this 'not in the current climate'. They didn't get massive pay rises when the country was doing well and everyone was employeed. People would still say it was greedy even if we wasn't in recession.

True, however the tax free golden handshake is also pretty good

How much is that now, 9k or something?

Mullins said:
That isn't unpaid work, teachers are paid a salary to do their job, and are not on paid an hourly basis. They are expected to do work outside of school as there is no way a full time teacher has the time to mark homework, write reports etc. soley within the school opening hours.

Exactly, being a teacher isn't 8-5 on school grounds only. Teachers know this when signing up, no point moaning about it when it's part of the job imho. I often have to do extra stuff outside of office hours, it's part of the job.

buckeejit · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:03

Ranger07 said:
Pure greed IMO

Most people are happy to keep their jobs at the moment never mind demanding huge pay rises. The annoying thing is the government will probably give in.

This. I mean, are you serious? Asking for a pay rise with the way things are at the minute. Stupidity.

Lakeland · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:04

i always find it funny when people slate teachers for getting loads of paid holidays, do you realise what most teachers are doing in the evenings after work or during their holidays?

i think there should be a 10% increase in the starting salary of a teacher but not 10% ontop of the top line teachers pay

Luseac · 13 Apr 2009 at 19:06

jaxon said:
do you realise what most teachers are doing in the evenings after work or during their holidays?

What, when they get home at 4.30? Marking work I should imagine, like they are expected to do. Likewise with the holidays, but let's be honest there won't be much marking going on during August or on any holiday longer than a week which allows them to get it all done.