Teachers demand 10% pay increase - Thoughts?

no way, nurses are ****! Every nurse i have ever seen has been slapdash, rude (probably by accident) and ugly/gay

I guess you've probably been pretty lucky then and not had to come in to contact with all that many of them. Some may exhibit the qualities you describe, but certainly not all.

Quite what salary should have to do with physical attractiveness and sexual orientation anyway, I'm not sure...
 
You're effectively given a choice if you want to go and do a tour, if you dont you join a different force/different branch that has less likelihood of being there.
My best mate was happy enough in Afghan on his forces wage, he wanted to go back after a week of coming home.
My sibling looks forward to the financial reward serving in Iraq means she will get in a few weeks time too.

It comes with the territory, obviously some people are in hell over there, but thats a small number of people compared to the combined number of serving pers in each of the 3 forces.

Im happy with the financial setup in the navy, golden handshakes, sea pay, GYH warrants, service bonuses.


Id go to Afghan, although ill admit i wouldnt want to be in the thick of it with the soldiers, but thats because im not a soldier, thats not what i joined up to be.
 
Throwing money at the problem is not going to help it, Nurses and Soldiers deserve more money first than teachers.

Although nurses do deserve more they're paid better in the NHS than private. The nurses who looked after my dad at BUPA after he had a spine op said they were willing to accept lower pay for the better working conditions.
 
As if the government is giving a penny of this, whatever deal they get I assure you will:
- Sound substantial, maybe like a nice compromise, but will be set out to be delievered over many years, probably not giving them much if anything more than they would have gotten in pay increase in that time anyway.
- Require that the teachers take on more work, train for different roles, much more than the pay rise merits
- Cut backs, because these days public services asking for a pay rise is Governments ticket to gut them.
 
You're effectively given a choice if you want to go and do a tour, if you dont you join a different force/different branch that has less likelihood of being there.
Well, that's not true. You will pretty much end up doing a tour no matter where you go. Well, in the Army anyways.
 
Personally I don't think nurses are that badly paid either if they stick at it for a few years; average NHS salary for a nurse is £31.6k, although that does include overtime.

It's important to note that the 'official' salary a lot of nurses get is a few thousand short of the reality once you take into account retention bonuses, weekend bonuses, night bonuses, unsocial hours bonuses that would have been accrued if it wasn't for holidays etc. Couple that with the free handouts they get in terms of bursaries for education (effectively free diplomas, degrees, and other vocational qualifications) and they are wallowing in cash.
 
Coming from a family of Lectures, Teachers and so on, I feel I have a front line view.

My father runs a University, he get's paid hansomly but at the same time, has more or less devoted his life in doing so, he set off at 8am and gets home for 6pm, but then everynight bar weekends, without fail he will be working part 10pm.

My little brother is in his first year as a Maths teacher, and got a lovely golden handshake of umpteen thousands for becoming one. The workload he has at the moment it massive, but this is due to the fact he is new and has all his lesson plans and such to make from scratch.

My best friends Mother is a English teacher and has been for decades, she has stunning A level and GCSE results year in year out, but she barley breaks a sweat these days, sure she has marking to do of a night, but it's all done in such a manor by now it's water off a ducks back.

My little cousin is a primary school teachers, and I never see her breaking much of a sweat after 5pm of a school night.

On the flip side, I'm a Paramedic, and my sister a nurse/midwife.

Very roughly we would earn around the same as a teacher as a new starter, and same as a expirienced member so it's tracks the same wage as such.

My sister and myself work 12hr days and night, 7 days a week, no bank holidays, work Christmas, New Year and so on.My brother works 8am-5pm Mon-Fri. He doesn't loose his days off in catching up on sleep, he doesn't mess up his bodyclock every other week.

My brother has to deal with a few 'naughty' children, guidelines are in place to deal with these kids ( fair enough in the real world it doesn't have any real outcome but still ).
I deal with smelly, abusive, intoxicated, irrate families and friends, violent, dying, and dead people in a normal day. There's guidlines for us too, but it's the real world out there.
I risk my registration everyday by how I deal and treat with people, and funnily enough in this blame culture we live in even a simple job is now made infinatly harder, watching our backs and overtreating everything.

I have 5 weeks holiday a year, my leave can be canclled if a major event should occur. I have to risk my health every ill patient I pick up, everything from Hep B/C, HIV to D&V that might put me off work sick for a week, which in turn goes on my record. I also put my back on the line to carry 25stone people down three flight or stairs for nothing more than a headache.

Our union are currenlty fighting not for 10% rise, but for the right to keep our hours the same each month and not a random week of rotas. We are also fighting for our right to have two 30min meal breaks in our 12hr shifts, not the 30min at a location of the control's choice that the managment want.
There fighting for the right to keep a skilled tech by our side on a Ambluance not a 13k a year glorified blue light driver with advanced first aid.


I'm not against a fair wage for Teachers, but let's have a bit of real life comparisment for a minute. A nurse can be expected to start on wages much lower than that of a trainee Teacher, yet 'that's life', and they do it becuase they 'love it'.

If the Teachers get 10%, I'd feel we should get at least 10% for ourselves, but as the NHS we will be lucky in getting out cost of living pay rise.
And of course after the 1990 strikes, we don't have the option of going on stike anymore.
 
As has been said already, it's nothing but greed.

They are trying to hold the government to ransom. They already get golden handshakes, fees paid, a guaranteed good pension, a steady job, ridiculously holidays and after a few years earn well over the average wage. 10% in the current climate? Annoying, to say the least.

Good post Randell. Teachers need to wake up and join the real world.
 
I think that we should hear them out. See why they deserve a pay rise. Just like with any job, some people work harder than their standard hours and others dont. They get a massive amount of holidays and they dont have to work as long hours as most people do. They earn more already and there are a lot of rubbish teachers out there.

Im not seeing where their justification is coming from. I know a hell of a lot of mates just coming out of uni now who didnt know what they wanted to do so they decided to teach.Why?

Because the pay is good, the holidays great and the work isnt very hard. I mean come on, GCSEs have become a joke these days. Any chimp could teach GCSE. The only hard part would be the workload at times but that is just work these days. I get 19k a year as a programmer and software support and I work 8.5 hours a day + and dont get time to take a lunch break. £33,000 a year would be a lovely salary on its own. Add another 9 weeks holiday to my 4 and you will have a rather nice job. Oh wait, thats a teacher.
 
I say give it to them, but the politicians should fund it by having their expenses removed. Teachers are far more deserving than the scrotes in the government.
 
If teachers deserve a 10% pay rise, which they don't, then nurses, teaching assistants et al deserve the same, if not more. Along with an extra 6 weeks holiday a year.
 
If teachers deserve a 10% pay rise, which they don't, then nurses, teaching assistants et al deserve the same, if not more. Along with an extra 6 weeks holiday a year.

Along with university lecturers. Compare the growth in their wages relative to secondary school teachers in the last 20 years, you'd be shocked.

Although this is getting rectified in recent years. With tuition fees and additional funding.
 
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If teachers deserve a 10% pay rise, which they don't, then nurses, teaching assistants et al deserve the same, if not more. Along with an extra 6 weeks holiday a year.

Yes they do deserve it as well, sadly the government have other ideas, they would rather line their own pockets and have councils filled with pointless roles and projects that take away the nurses/teachers well deserved pay rises. Representing your country in parliament should be an honour, not a way to enrich your life at the cost of others, they should have a flat pay scheme.
 
I get 19k a year as a programmer and software support and I work 8.5 hours a day + and dont get time to take a lunch break. £33,000 a year would be a lovely salary on its own. Add another 9 weeks holiday to my 4 and you will have a rather nice job. Oh wait, thats a teacher.
Here's an idea then, genius: become one. What's stopping you? I mean, after all, we're all on 33k here...
 
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thats my thoughts
 
I love the way people focus on the holiday as being second to none but when you talk about the extra hours after the close of school 'that's a known about part of the job'

The extra holiday is offset in part by the extra hours out of school.

Yet again people are focusing on 10% as being greedy. Have you people never been in a union negotiated pay rise? Every year we start off we a huge list of demands in the hope of getting a moderate pay rise and a perk or two. Sometimes to get one of those perks we have to give up something they want back.
 
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