Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

Yas786 · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:31

RDM said:
The real problem is geography as Iran doesn't share a border with Israel. Iran would certainly lose an air war and so would need to attack usng ground forces. However to do that they need an ally to allow all of their troops in. They don't have the naval forces to do coastal invasion without their ships being wiped out be Israeli air and naval assets.

So what route would a ground invasion take? Do you really see Turkey or Iraq allowing an Iranian army to traverse their lands?

Tbh i wouldnt be at all surprised if Turkey let them traverse their lands...dont know about Iraq becasue as far as im concerned they just have a puppet American govt in charge there so they wont be able to do anything without America putting its foot in to stop it. Now if Iraq still had Saddam then i would imagine things would be different.
What you fail to understand is that most if not all the muslim countries hate Israel with a passion and i dont need to go into great details as to why that is. So i wouldnt discount Turkey or any other muslim country to let Iran use their lands to launch an attack against the Israeli's.

We dont know for sure if Iran would lose an air war against Israel...theres a pretty good chance of it happening.

Personally if Israel attacks Iran then i wont have a single ounce of sympathy for them if they get attacked back. Israel needs to reel in its attitude a bit and not get itself into another long mess. I just hope America with its new govt puts a stop to them before its too late.

Rroff · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:33

Tefal said:
it already has once it took Israel 6 days to beat them all down at once.

Bare in mind tho that the Israelis had suprise to their advantage that time tho... they struck a critical first blow, the rest was just death throes...

If it came to it again it would most likely turn into a mass slaughter on both sides.

Tefal · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:34

Spawn said:
Tbh i wouldnt be at all surprised if Turkey let them traverse their lands.

Arn;t turkey part of the EU now? I can see that being a big problem if they did.

Tefal · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:36

Rroff said:
Bare in mind tho that the Israelis had suprise to their advantage that time tho... they struck a critical first blow, the rest was just death throes...

If it came to it again it would most likely turn into a mass slaughter on both sides.

if Israel thought it was losing it has a nice big arsenal of nuclear weapons to fall back on. the risk they would use them means not many places would be willing to attack them with no real profit from it. Attacking them over Iran would be pointless.

Pixel · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:37

Sometimes I wish the entire middle east would just get wiped off the face of the Earth.

If you can't live together, die together.

Rroff · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:39

Tefal said:
if Israel thought it was losing it has a nice big arsenal of nuclear weapons to fall back on. the risk they would use them means not many places would be willing to attack them with no real profit from it. Attacking them over Iran would be pointless.

Isn't that what they did last time? sent a plane up full nuclear loadout so that in the event they were over-run they'd make sure no one else could have the land either.

Tefal · 19 Apr 2009 at 19:40

Rroff said:
Isn't that what they did last time? sent a plane up full nuclear loadout so that in the event they were over-run they'd make sure no one else could have the land either.

they don;t need planes any more. now they've got missiles and submarines with nukes that can hit everyone else with ease and at little warning.

RDM · 19 Apr 2009 at 22:30

Spawn said:
Tbh i wouldnt be at all surprised if Turkey let them traverse their lands

Nato member and trying to join the EU? No, they wouldn't allow it.

Spawn said:
...dont know about Iraq becasue as far as im concerned they just have a puppet American govt in charge there so they wont be able to do anything without America putting its foot in to stop it. Now if Iraq still had Saddam then i would imagine things would be different.

Not really, still lots of bad blood due to the war they had against each other.

Spawn said:
What you fail to understand is that most if not all the muslim countries hate Israel with a passion and i dont need to go into great details as to why that is.

I don't fail to understand that at all, I am well aware of the fact. Unfortunately every time they have tried to do something about it, things haven't really turned out well.

Spawn said:
So i wouldnt discount Turkey or any other muslim country to let Iran use their lands to launch an attack against the Israeli's.

Currently I would, neither Turkey nor Iraq are going to in the current political climate and that pretty much cuts down their options considerably.

Spawn said:
We dont know for sure if Iran would lose an air war against Israel...theres a pretty good chance of it happening.

It is pretty much a given, better pilots, better aircraft and better radar.

Spawn said:
Personally if Israel attacks Iran then i wont have a single ounce of sympathy for them if they get attacked back.

I was under the impression that you didn't have an ounce of sympathy for them anyway.

Spawn said:
Israel needs to reel in its attitude a bit and not get itself into another long mess. I just hope America with its new govt puts a stop to them before its too late.

And Iran needs to do the same and stop trying to get nukes.

fraps · 19 Apr 2009 at 22:58

Burnsy2023 said:
Maybe it's not to do with religion but Iran's threat to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth?

Why do people always play the race/religion card

Israel played their false religion card

(I say false as some orthodox Jews wholly reject Israel, not to mention billions of others) when the Zionists stormed into town

btw he never said 'wipe Israel off..'

fraps · 19 Apr 2009 at 23:05

Anyway, why is Israel planning just to attack Iran ?? - there are 47 other Muslim countries which aren’t too Friendly (perhaps an understatement) plus Venezuela and Cuba

perhaps they could prepare one master plan for them all

Raumarik · 19 Apr 2009 at 23:13

I'm no fan of any of the countries in the middle east, but I do think that the west have a very blinkered view and is extremely judgemental of anything that the countries there do that doesn't fit perfectly with our current socially accepted practices.

We've hung people, cut their heads off and done far worse, yet we're all ready to point fingers and scream OUTRAGE whenever a middle eastern country dare do the same.

We have to, for once, talk to these countries as equals and treat them with some form of respect rather than shoving them around with our military and economic weight. I'm not talking about pandering to their every needs, or even giving into them, but I think it's about time that the west, especially the US And EU got off it's high horse, stop blindly supporting Israel and starting looking at the bigger picture.

Part of the reason that Iran would even consider researching nuclear weapons is precisely the attitude that the west has towards it, lets face it the way we've been treated many countries in the middle east hasn't worked for decades, perhaps it's time to try a new tact and actually listen for a while rather than shouting.

Talking might get us no where, but it'd be nice to at least try it now and then, instead of beating people over the heads with a large red, white and blue stick.

RDM · 20 Apr 2009 at 18:16

fraps said:
Anyway, why is Israel planning just to attack Iran ?? - there are 47 other Muslim countries which aren’t too Friendly (perhaps an understatement) plus Venezuela and Cuba

I know this is going to be very difficult for you to get to grips with, but Israel doesn't hate muslims or muslim nations. The situation has nothing at all to do with religious conflict. Much like the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with a western anti-islam stance either.

The "anti-islam" line is the one pedaled out by the dodgy islamic regimes and fundamentalists to try and draw wider support/distract people from their own awful practices.

Burnsy2023 · 20 Apr 2009 at 18:36

fraps said:
btw he never said 'wipe Israel off..'

As good as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#Relations_with_Israel

Duke · 20 Apr 2009 at 19:42

Not worth its own thread but thought it was quite interesting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8008572.stm

int · 20 Apr 2009 at 19:52

So hating Israeli's/Jews is acceptable but the obvious hatred Iran/Muslims receive is not?

How amusing.

Ricochet J · 20 Apr 2009 at 20:04

Hats of to the man for openly saying what he believes and not giving into Western influence. The way he goes about adressing his concerns however, is a big issue. He is doing the Iranian people he represents no favour in giving a speech the way he did. All of the Iranian people I know including friends are not like Mr. Armoured-Jacket-Man.

Sankari · 20 Apr 2009 at 20:09

fraps said:
Anyway, why is Israel planning just to attack Iran ?? - there are 47 other Muslim countries which aren’t too Friendly (perhaps an understatement) plus Venezuela and Cuba

perhaps they could prepare one master plan for them all

Israel's closest ally in the Middle East is Egypt, a Muslim nation.

During the Iran/Iraq war, the West supplied Iraq with weaponry and military intelligence to help her defeat Iran. Meanwhile, the Israelis were providing Iran with weaponry and military intelligence to help her beat Iraq.

You clearly don't know anything about Israel's diplomatic relations with Muslim states, whether past or present.