Why are SSD warranties so poor?

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Hi,

I was looking into getting a vertex drive just for my O/S then noticed the warranty was 2 years. Surely this technology should be longer than traditional hard-drives due to no moving parts, etc.

I've seen a couple of drives with 5 year warranties but not as good performance wise / cash wise.

So any recommendations I would like a long warranty and good performance. Space wise I could live with 60GB.



M.
 
I expect its because they only have a certain number of writes to each location before they don't work anymore.. I've seen various explanaitions for how long this might take to get through.. most sensible ones seem to suggest a long long time but I have seen a few that seem to say fairly quickly if you're likely to fill the drive and use it a lot.
 
New tech as well? Normal hard drives have been around ages now and will have had lots of testing. I guess the companies just don't know how long they will last.
 
I would say it's a combination of all of the above reasons.

The controller systems incorporated into the SSD's are developing at a furious rate, one article from Anandtech stated that virtually every week a new controller development was being made (can't remember the exact link tho I'm afraid) - add to this advances in the 'wear levelling algorithms' incorporated into the controller's firmware and this can have a significant effect on the overall estimated lifespan of the drive. You've only got to look at how they have developed over the last 12 months to see that.

I say 'estimated' lifespan above as although manufacturers can use testing methods emulating years of use within a compressed timeframe the true lifespan can only really be seen from real-world data, and hence as Ghost-Reaper said we really are breaking new ground here.

Add to this Win7 having native support for things like the TRIM command etc and the next couple of years should see quite an increase in overall system performance. I for one am looking forward to it!
 
is there a chance sdd will fail in the same way the collection of burnt cds I have from 5 years ago will no longer work ?
2 years of a speedier OS seems worth it
 
I heard that if you wipe and install windows every day for 5 years it would stop working... so i gues for normal use you would get 20-30 years easy
 
Regarding the longevity of Solid State Drives or more specifically, the Intel X25-M Mainstream 80GB:

The Tech Report said:
So the X25-M shouldn't be short on performance, but what about longevity? MLC-based flash memory cells are limited to 10,000 write-erase cycles, giving solid-state drives a finite lifespan. When estimating the operating life of their drives, other SSD makers generally rely on a basic formula to calculate the number of cycles used:

Cycles = (Host writes) / (Drive capacity)

Intel says this formula oversimplifies the issue, and that two other factors must be considered. The first of these variables is write amplification, which refers to the amount of data actually written to a drive for a given write request. Intel gives an example in which a host system generates a 4KB write request that, thanks to a drive's 128KB erase block size, actually incurs a 128KB NAND write. Dividing the NAND write size by the request size yields the amplification factor, which is 32 in this case. Intel says the X25-M's write-amplification factor is extremely low at 1.1, while "traditional" SSDs have much higher amplification factor of 20.

The efficiency of wear-leveling algorithms also has a hand in determining an SSD's lifespan. If a drive is going to shuffle bits around to avoid bad cells and more efficiently use those available, it must do so without wasting precious write-erase cycles. Intel estimates the X25-M's wear-leveling efficiency factor at less than 1.1, claiming that traditional SSDs have an efficiency factor of 3.

Taking write-amplification and wear-leveling efficiency into account, Intel says the correct formula for cycling is as follows:

Cycles = (Host writes) * (Write amplification factor) * (Wear leveling factor) / (Drive capacity)

Using a write-amplification factor of 1.1 and a wear-leveling efficiency factor of 1.1, 20GB of write-erase per day for five years should consume only about 550 cycles on an 80GB X25-M. Using "traditional" SSD technology with an amplification factor of 20 and an efficiency factor of 3, the same write-erase load would use over 27,000 cycles. That's a huge difference, and to be fair, it's one that relies on values provided by Intel that aren't entirely consistent. Another Intel presentation from IDF estimates that "mediocre" SSDs have a write-amplification factor of 10 and a wear-leveling efficiency factor of 5, resulting in just under 23,000 cycles for our 20GB of write-erase per day example. That presentation also pegs the X25-M's efficiency factor at 1.04 rather than 1.1. We can't easily test a drive's lifespan ourselves, but we did ask Samsung for the write-amplification and wear-leveling efficiency factor values for its SSDs. Samsung hasn't responded yet, though.

If you don't want to crunch through the math, Intel estimates that the 80GB X25-M will last for five years with "much greater than" 100GB of write-erase per day. That's a relatively long time for much more data than most folks are likely to write or erase on a daily basis.

Actual drive lifespans aside, Intel rates the X25-M's Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) at 1.2 million hours. That's competitive with the MTBF rating of other MLC-based flash drives and equivalent to common MTBF ratings for enterprise-class mechanical hard drives.

Source - Intel's X25-M solid-state drive
 
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See that makes me think "But five years is pretty long! And I won't write 20gb a day!" - but I know in five/six years time I'll have forgotten that my SSD is about to lose all the precious data I've hoarded over the years, and the day it breaks I'm going to be furious that it didn't have an infinite life span...

And towards the first person to say "That's why you back-up"; I hate you :P He he.
 
doesnt this mean with ssd's eventually stop working that they will be redundant, i.e. no selling of 2nd hand ssd's? i suppose if the manufactures developed a 5+ year product it MIGHT work but i cant see them developing something that lasts past 5 years.
 
doesnt this mean with ssd's eventually stop working that they will be redundant, i.e. no selling of 2nd hand ssd's? i suppose if the manufactures developed a 5+ year product it MIGHT work but i cant see them developing something that lasts past 5 years.

tbh if I'm still using these SSD's in 5 years... well, I won't be! I don't think I've ever had an HDD that long. When you look at how low prices on mechanical HDD's are these days compared to even 5 years ago, well in 5 years time I suspect we'll all be using something far more advanced than the current crop of SSD's.
 
See that makes me think "But five years is pretty long! And I won't write 20gb a day!" - but I know in five/six years time I'll have forgotten that my SSD is about to lose all the precious data I've hoarded over the years, and the day it breaks I'm going to be furious that it didn't have an infinite life span...

And towards the first person to say "That's why you back-up"; I hate you :P He he.
I'm 90% sure i read somewhere that you can still read from the SSD, just not write to it.
 
I'm 90% sure i read somewhere that you can still read from the SSD, just not write to it.

And even if that's not the case then it shouldn't prove too much of an issue as most people will only be using them for OS & Apps/Games drives at the mo due to the high ratio of £/Gb and not for data storage. So, data loss shouldn't be an issue and if you keep an up to date image then boot drive failure is also not a complete disaster.
 
I'm 90% sure i read somewhere that you can still read from the SSD, just not write to it.

Agreed, I remember reading that. Basically, any data on it is safer than a regular HDD because it's not subject to the same mechanical shock constraints etc, and when it does stop working the data will still be there - so in theory you could image it and continue on a fresh drive with little interruption. That's if you're still using your small, relatively rubbish SSD a few years down the line :p

That's progress for you.
 
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