sickening police violence

i-bert · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:54

AcidHell2 said:
And I like it how loads of you are shouting manslaughter, when it's almost certainty that this video didn't have anything to do with his death.

Who is this "You" that you are refering to?

I've never said it is manslaughter. All i see in the original video is a thug in a uniform.

soapboxstuart · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:56

AcidHell2 said:
And I like it how loads of you are shouting manslaughter, when it's almost certainty that this video didn't have anything to do with his death.

Plenty of people, myself included, have mentioned court proceedings.
You are the one who seems to be obsessed with the manslaughter charge, but tbh if that's the best you can do now.....

Glaucus · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:56

i-bert said:
Who is this "You" that you are refering to?

I've never said it is manslaughter. All i see in the original video is a thug in a uniform.

"loads of you" ie people in this thread.

soapboxstuart said:
Plenty of people, myself included, have mentioned court proceedings.
You are the one who seems to be obsessed with the manslaughter charge, but tbh if that's the best you can do now.....

Best I can do, you really are a troll. I'm not trying to do anything. Their have been loads of posts about hanging the officer up for manslaughter, just go read the last 15pages.

Monkey Puzzle · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:57

dmpoole said:
4 rogue coppers out 1000s & 1000s.
Yeah, OK - I do feel foolish backing the coppers.

(4 was a number I pulled out the air, no proof, no sauce, no backup, so don't ask)

There have been 70+ complaints of disproportionate force by police against protesters (according to channel 4 news a few days back) - certainly not all police officers, but enough (seeing the protests as an excuse to beat up those they hold prejudices against) for it to be a major problem, especially when combined with attempts to deny any responsbility, smear the dead man's character and apparently use a 'police-friendly' coroner for the autopsy.

i-bert · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:58

AcidHell2 said:
"loads of you" ie people in this thread.

Then please don't quote me when you are refering to people who are saying its manslaughter.

Tefal · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:59

soapboxstuart said:
Plenty of people, myself included, have mentioned court proceedings.
You are the one who seems to be obsessed with the manslaughter charge, but tbh if that's the best you can do now.....

so if you're not saying it's manslaughter

soapboxstuart said:
It is highly unfortunate that a man has died as a result.

are you saying it was murder?

SexyGreyFox · 24 Apr 2009 at 17:59

soapboxstuart said:
Careful what you say here i-bert. They will round on you.

They rounded on you because I admitted I was wrong 3 times but you still had to bring it up over & over.
I WAS WRONG.

soapboxstuart · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:01

Tefal said:
so if you're not saying it's manslaughter

are you saying it was murder?

There are several charges that could be brought - assault for example.

Glaucus · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:02

i-bert said:
Then please don't quote me when you are refering to people who are saying its manslaughter.

then don't quote dmpoole saying he's supporting the video..
he's made his stance very clear.

* and I was trying to stay out of this thread*

soapboxstuart · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:02

dmpoole said:
They rounded on you because I admitted I was wrong 3 times but you still had to bring it up over & over.
I WAS WRONG.

I actually wasn't referring to that incident but it obviously troubles you

soapboxstuart · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:03

AcidHell2 said:
* and I was trying to stay out of this thread*

Please try harder !

SexyGreyFox · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:04

Monkey Puzzle said:
There have been 70+ complaints of disproportionate force by police against protesters

Yesterday one of my students complained about something and within an hour 25 out of the 30 complained about the same thing.
I got my manager down and we got it back to the first one and the others had just followed suit.
It's called human nature.
Actually one of the best examples is being at a football match.

SexyGreyFox · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:05

soapboxstuart said:
I actually wasn't referring to that incident but it obviously troubles you

If you aren't a returnee (which I think you are) then you know nothing troubles me.
I like to play.

soapboxstuart · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:09

dmpoole said:
Yesterday one of my students complained about something and within an hour 25 out of the 30 complained about the same thing.
I got my manager down and we got it back to the first one and the others had just followed suit.
It's called human nature.
Actually one of the best examples is being at a football match.

What on EARTH could your students be complaining about

SexyGreyFox · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:27

soapboxstuart said:
What on EARTH could your students be complaining about

They reckoned their college tutor had lost some of their Units and it just escalated.
It turned out that no Units were lost and the original student had not completed it.
It just goes to show how people follow the herd.

newbiejim · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:29

AcidHell2 said:
And I like it how loads of you are shouting manslaughter, when it's almost certainty that this video didn't have anything to do with his death.

yep, i`d agree that a video had nothing to do with the death :rolleyes:

Monkey Puzzle · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:32

dmpoole said:
Yesterday one of my students complained about something and within an hour 25 out of the 30 complained about the same thing.
I got my manager down and we got it back to the first one and the others had just followed suit.
It's called human nature.
Actually one of the best examples is being at a football match.

Have you been hitting your students with batons and shoving them to the ground again?

Glaucus · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:34

newbiejim said:
yep, i`d agree that a video had nothing to do with the death

So you ignoring the fact that a fall is very unlikely to cause such an injury, but more importantly witnesses have come forward saying he was hit in the abdomen in a much more aggressive incident.

SexyGreyFox · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:40

Monkey Puzzle said:
Have you been hitting your students with batons and shoving them to the ground again?

I wish

Von Smallhausen · 24 Apr 2009 at 18:42

Evangelion said:
A police officer is being investigated after allegedly writing on a website that he was keen to "bash some long haired hippys" at the G20 protest.

Pc Rob Ward apparently put the note on Facebook on the evening of 1 April, the first day of City of London protests.

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said: "The matter has been recorded and will be investigated appropriately."

Well, that certainly gives us a few clues about the motivation of our noble constabulary.

No it doesn't.

I gives a clue on how much of a tit a serving officer is if he posts such things on a public website.

It does not reflect on the entire constabulary except in the eyes of the blinkered.

soapboxstuart said:
Oh dear.
You know in a strange sort of way I'm starting to feel sorry for the posters who have backed the police actions on this thread.
EVERY day they have had to deal with something new that diminishes the strength of their argument.
I look forward to the inevitably robust arguments in favour of this latest disaster.
Clearly there are Police officers that went to the G20 with an agenda.
It is highly unfortunate that a man has died as a result.

And it is also highly unforunate that you do not look at both sides of the fence when it comes to public order policing in the UK.

EVERY day, the strength of any police argument is diminished by the completely one sided footage, reporting and bias that we have seen in the media. Are you happy with the reporting standards that show the side you want to believe or do you think that there is another side to events ?

Most police officers went to G20 with the agenda of doing what they were told, namely preventing London from desending into chaos from a select few who went there with the sole intention of causing said chaos.

There is a complaints procedure in place for those who feel they have been treated unfairly, disrespectfully or manhandled and over 140 complaints are being looked at now.

Should the PC have posted a comment like that on Facebook then he frankly deserves to be hauled over the coals.

Might I suggest you refrain from generalisation ? It is untrue to label all officers for the actions of a few, not to mention offensive. With respect, you don't have much of a clue of what frontline police officers face on a daily basis where countless acts of selfless bravery prevent people from meeting their maker. Good news is no news though eh ?