CBT, confused

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My mrs went to do her CBT today. She arrived at 8:45 as directed. She then called me at 13:30 to pick her up, telling me that the instructor had decided she wasn't ready to go on the road and to go home.

This has confused me as I thought the CBT just went on until you ran out of time. If you do run out of time, you book another day. Certainly not, "sorry you're not ready for the road" after 4 hours and then to be send home with absolutely no indication or guidence as to what she should do next.

She says it was the low speed clutch control she was having difficulty with as the biting point on the hire bike was too far away from the lever for her to comfortably reach with her small hands. The instructor didn't try to adjust the lever and my mrs didn't know that they could be adjusted (I showed her how on my Tiger afterwards).

So, we're now in the position where she has had 4hrs training, we've paid £130 and have no idea what the next step is. They suggested that she books another day and do it on an auto scooter but this isn't what she wants to ride. She wants to ride a motorcycle. My understanding is also that if she does the CBT on an auto 50cc scooter she can't then ride geared 125cc motorcycles. Is this correct?

From everything she's said it appears that they were running the CBT as a "test". That's not what it should be. It's training.
 
I've heard of a number of people being told they have to come back to redo the training as they weren't ready for the road. You are correct it isn't a test as such but if the trainer feels they are a danger to themselves or other road users they will ask you to come back. The only thing I can suggest is go down there with her have a chat with the instructor and suggest adjusting the lever.
 
The annoying this is that we're now faced with paying a further £60 for another day's training when we have already paid £130 for what is supposed to be a day's training which turned out to be 4hrs before the rest of them went off on the road, leaving her sitting on the steps waiting for me to collect her.
 
Rilot said:
The annoying this is that we're now faced with paying a further £60 for another day's training when we have already paid £130 for what is supposed to be a day's training which turned out to be 4hrs before the rest of them went off on the road, leaving her sitting on the steps waiting for me to collect her.
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I agree and sometimes I feel they do it just to get more money. It is a shame you didn't have a small bike you could take her down an industrial estate for some practice.
 
How long does a CBT last? Also, if you are confident she won't stack, get her used to slow clutch control on your bike, perhaps walk alongside so the bike can't fall over?
 
FrostedNipple said:
How long does a CBT last? Also, if you are confident she won't stack, get her used to slow clutch control on your bike, perhaps walk alongside so the bike can't fall over?
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No way is she going to try and learn on a 1050cc, 125bhp bike. One false move with the throttle and she'll be over backwards.
 
Scythe said:
When I did my CBT, they did not have to pay for another day of training, but did have to book it, if that makes sense.
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This was the procedure when both me and my brother did our CBTs.

The CBT lasts for 2 years. Edit: The CBT itself is all day usually. I started at 8:15am and finished at about 4pm.
 
r0zvad said:
This was the procedure when both me and my brother did out CBTs.

The CBT lasts for 2 years.
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yeah, i found this though...

[URL="http://www.lightningpass.com/jkcm/HOME/GLOSSARY+OF+TERMS/CBT" said:
http://www.lightningpass.com/jkcm/HOME/GLOSSARY+OF+TERMS/CBT]2/[/URL]. How long does the CBT last?
The CBT certificate last for 2 years. However, if you have a full UK car licence and only ride a moped then it lasts for as long as your licence.
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I have a full car licence. Currently i am not in a position to run a ped, so if i did the CBT, would it last forever? I'm a little confused

p.s. sorry for hijacking your thread, my advice would be to go and talk to the instructor and ask why he didn't help her, to make it easier, if he did tell her to go away because of having small hands then that really is unfair.
 
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The instructor really should have made the effort to adjust the lever if he knew she was having trouble with it. I am not aware if it is required by law but I have never seen anywhere that will charge you to continue your CBT with them if they felt you were not ready to go out on the road. They will usually just ask you to come back another time.

It is not true that CBTs have gearbox limitations on them. The full test does, but you can ride any appropriate motorbike regardless of which gearbox you did the CBT on.
 
if you have a car licence and only want to run a moped then the CBT doesnt expire, if you wanted to ride a geared bike then it expires in 2 years.

if you hafve no car licence it expires in 2 years

* a DL196 certificate validating a provisional moped or provisional motorcycle entitlement lasts for two years - CBT will have to be retaken if both theory and practical tests are not passed within the two year certificate life
* for moped entitlement only, if you pass your car driving test whilst your DL196 is still current or complete a CBT course and obtain a DL196 after passing your car test, the certificate is not subject to expiry, you will therefore need to keep your DL196 certificate safely. Please note that this applies to mopeds only, for riding motorcycles as a learner the DL196 remains valid for two years
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one of the issues is that you dont need to be a fully qualified instructor to do the CBT iirc so the quality of instruction varies wildly,

the guys that taught me were great and it was only really the tight manoevres that gave me issues that first day, once I got onto the DAS 500cc bike it seemed a lot easier with balance (must be a size & weight thing :D)

one thing to note for CBT's is that not everyone there has to be qualified
Please note that every ATB (approved training body) must have at least one certified instructor who has passed the Cardington CBT assessment, this does not have to be the person who holds the authority.
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Voltjunkie said:
The instructor really should have made the effort to adjust the lever if he knew she was having trouble with it. I am not aware if it is required by law but I have never seen anywhere that will charge you to continue your CBT with them if they felt you were not ready to go out on the road. They will usually just ask you to come back another time.

It is not true that CBTs have gearbox limitations on them. The full test does, but you can ride any appropriate motorbike regardless of which gearbox you did the CBT on.
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I think to ride a geared 125 you just do a normal cbt.
 
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I'm pretty sure a cheap 125 won't have span adjustable levers.

She should be able to go back again to complete the CBT though without extra charge.
 
When I did my CBT there was a guy who wasn't deemed good enough to go on the road, but instead of being left behind one of the instructors stayed with him and they spent the afternoon in the yard continuing to practice whilst we went on the roads.

They said he wouldn't have to pay for the extra 1/2 day to complete the CBT.

I find it a bit **** she was just left to wait. Where was this?

As for geared CBTs I'm with FrostedNipple, need a CBT on a geared bike to ride a geared bike.
 
If you do the CBT on a scooter it doe'snt mean you can't ride a 125 geared bike. I had simlilar thing when i did my CBT the clutch lever was stiff as hell and making my arm throb and making it hard to do the slow speed clutch control.
 
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Once again, your CBT certificate is valid for both automatic and manual gearboxes; only the full test has gearbox limitations.

Whether or not you actually possess the ability to ride a geared motorbike is another point entirely and I would suggest some practice in a car park before hitting the open road.
 
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