Mac vs PC - Serious considerations...
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I look forward to it!
I'll time my macs and see how they fair!
When you do the timing, load the forums up as soon as possible to see how long ie takes to load and loads it's page.
Right...guess I may have exaggerated a little lol...I timed my PC to boot up...and it took roughly 50secs...however...I will say this...I actually had in my possession about a month back a Power Mac G4 I was fixing for someone...I timed the boot up on that and I can tell you it certainly didnt take 15 secs to boot up...not at all...actually took about 1min to boot up. Granted its a Power Mac G4...but you would still expect it to boot up quicker with it being a Mac.
Moral of the story: Boot time into an OS really shouldnt matter anymore...its how the machine performs once its booted up...
Of course I can still upload said video if you want just so you can laugh lol...but if I may say I couldnt care less if your Mac can boot up quicker than my machine...it cannot play Crysis 
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18 month OS X install on a MBP with loads of **** to load this page:
31 seconds.
(Oh and it had to initialize a network sharing connection to my MP in that time)
As for the bickering. You can bicker all you want.
For some of us this £750 "apple tax" on a Mac Pro is most certainly worth it.
31 seconds.
(Oh and it had to initialize a network sharing connection to my MP in that time)
As for the bickering. You can bicker all you want.
For some of us this £750 "apple tax" on a Mac Pro is most certainly worth it.
But can it run Crysis on 1920x1200 res with 8xAA and 24xCFAA along with VERY HIGH settings across the board and get roughly 25FPS?
lol...in all honesty the whole boot time thing is now starting to get a bit tedious...ok so I was exaggerating on my part but I hold my hands up to that. But do I honestly care? Nope not in the slightest...thank you and good night 
I mean i want the time to be from the on button being pressed to the forums being open and viewable.
Loading to the desktop isn't enough as there is still a load more processes' loading.
EDIT - ^^^ Thought as much, that's why i pursued it!
It's a good debate though and i'm glad we are discussing it properly without it turning into a slagging match!
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In all fairness CK61938 G4s are OLD man! They use IBM processors of around 1Ghz speed if I remember correctly?!
I have a Mac Mini G4 which I formatted and reinstalled OS X recently on. It takes about 45 seconds to load in - all I'm saying is that in my eyes OS X is just so much more efficient. Now, I don't profess to know about the ins and outs of the code but from an end-user's pov its just that much more stable, efficient, and secure.
Point taken over hibernate though! I clearly don't use that enough! Thanks for the heads up
I have a Mac Mini G4 which I formatted and reinstalled OS X recently on. It takes about 45 seconds to load in - all I'm saying is that in my eyes OS X is just so much more efficient. Now, I don't profess to know about the ins and outs of the code but from an end-user's pov its just that much more stable, efficient, and secure.
Point taken over hibernate though! I clearly don't use that enough! Thanks for the heads up
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Yer good thread Logsi! It's good that we can all debate this like adults - I've seen some savage threads on this subject in the past!!!
Then again. How old is a PM G4?
Remember my FTP server? yeah...lol...
but like I said unless your Mac can play Crysis in VERY HIGH settings with no issues at all...the boot up time really doesnt make for anything in the grand scheme of things.
It's like a Bugatti Veyron beating a Ferrari 360 from 0-60 yet I bet on a longer distance the 360 could perform better...
(dont quote me on that, was just an example if not accurate lol)And as for the time to load up to the forums from pressing the power button...what exactly is that meant to prove? The fact that you have a Mac doesnt make you a bigger person than I am. The real big difference is that your stuck with the hardware you have, so if u want to upgrade its going to cost u more money...I on the other hand can upgrade to my hearts content and not have to worry about where I can get my new hardware cos its readily available.
But I have to say this has been a very interesting thread, but I will have to stop there. It's been a pleasure
Don't know why your PC takes 50 seconds to boot dude, mine takes 25 seconds from POST
If I go into specifics I will be here until Xmas lol...
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my pc takes 21 seconds to reach the password screen after posting. but that in itself takes about 30 second lol.
thats a standard e2160 btw lol
thats a standard e2160 btw lol
And as for the time to load up to the forums from pressing the power button...what exactly is that meant to prove? The fact that you have a Mac doesnt make you a bigger person than I am. The real big difference is that your stuck with the hardware you have, so if u want to upgrade its going to cost u more money...I on the other hand can upgrade to my hearts content and not have to worry about where I can get my new hardware cos its readily available.
But I have to say this has been a very interesting thread, but I will have to stop there. It's been a pleasure
It's not about being a bigger person! Dunno why you said that or what that's supposed to mean, we are talking about computers right?!
I just got tired of how much time i spent upgrading and how much money went to waste because of it. Maybe I'm just bitter but OS X does what i want better than windows can. Anyway, i'm not stuck with the hardware i have as i can buy another mac if i want to, i buy what i think i'll need in the future and that's worked out pretty well for me. I wouldn't say the Mac parts are not readily available, it's just there are more PC component shops.
Horses for courses etc...
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I will say this to finish off:
Mac and PCs are like husband and wife. We can agree to disagree. End of.
Yeah!
Good debate my friend!
ive always preffered mac to pc, but i've neevr ownded a decent mac.
pc = more flexibility
when people say widnows is for office work and macs are for designers just isnt true no more windows can do the same maybe more than a mac on a creating side.
Macs are if you want to call it 'overpriced' but look at the product your getting, its case is anodised aluminium, its ready to use out of the box, its stykish if u want to call it that. and for some people the fact that its 'apple' ups the price.
not that i totaly agree dell can do exactly the same sort of thing but its the brand and the style.
buying a mac can be pricey i mean for 12 gigs or ram in a mac pro its something like 3000 pounds.
i choose pc becuase its extemely customisable, and i love building them.
pc = more flexibility
when people say widnows is for office work and macs are for designers just isnt true no more windows can do the same maybe more than a mac on a creating side.
Macs are if you want to call it 'overpriced' but look at the product your getting, its case is anodised aluminium, its ready to use out of the box, its stykish if u want to call it that. and for some people the fact that its 'apple' ups the price.
not that i totaly agree dell can do exactly the same sort of thing but its the brand and the style.
buying a mac can be pricey i mean for 12 gigs or ram in a mac pro its something like 3000 pounds.
i choose pc becuase its extemely customisable, and i love building them.
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Since Apple bought Emagic, Logic can only be run on macs. Fair enough it isn't considered industry standard for music production (unlike Pro Tools which is avalible on both Mac and PC) but if you are say, a music producer/engineer like myself, Logic is a fantastic DAW. I'm interested to see how far open source Linux distro, Ubuntu Studio can go as it is based on the same core technology UNIX. Although, as far as I am concered, as long as "PC"s are running Microshaft PCs they only good for two things; gaming and overclocking. Stability or security not even entering into the sentence.
To Ck61938:
I'm sorry to burn here man but I don't really see where your argument is coming from. The issue at hand from the OP wasnt whether or not you or I are "big persons" but more "What, given my current setup, would be the best upgrade path for me? Mac or PC?".
In terms of flexibility I definately agree that the PC wins hands down. But this thread wasn't originally based upon "what would run crysis better - Mac or PC?" OR "What boots quicker/responds from hibernation - Mac or PC?". Please correct me if I am wrong here but the issue was more to do with what Logsi would want to use as an all round computer. Obviously, for Crysis one would want the fastest quad core, the latest NVIDIA SLI setup and tons of high speed DDR3. These are all things the Apple lineup currently (and for the forseeable future) do not offer. However, Hackintoshes notwithstanding, the ability to run Mac OS X (including Bootcamp) - arguably the most stable, efficient and secure OS for professionals justifies the initial cost of buying a mac. And again in my opinion, forgoes the loss of customization inherent within most mainstream PC retailers.
I hope my post hasn't come across as being too opinionated here!!!
To Ck61938:
I'm sorry to burn here man but I don't really see where your argument is coming from. The issue at hand from the OP wasnt whether or not you or I are "big persons" but more "What, given my current setup, would be the best upgrade path for me? Mac or PC?".
In terms of flexibility I definately agree that the PC wins hands down. But this thread wasn't originally based upon "what would run crysis better - Mac or PC?" OR "What boots quicker/responds from hibernation - Mac or PC?". Please correct me if I am wrong here but the issue was more to do with what Logsi would want to use as an all round computer. Obviously, for Crysis one would want the fastest quad core, the latest NVIDIA SLI setup and tons of high speed DDR3. These are all things the Apple lineup currently (and for the forseeable future) do not offer. However, Hackintoshes notwithstanding, the ability to run Mac OS X (including Bootcamp) - arguably the most stable, efficient and secure OS for professionals justifies the initial cost of buying a mac. And again in my opinion, forgoes the loss of customization inherent within most mainstream PC retailers.
I hope my post hasn't come across as being too opinionated here!!!
I see you use macs for logic and as I said it really is a testament to how great it is.
Yup
And i couldn't agree more
Although on a side note, I have enjoyed the debate as well
Thanks
It's like a Bugatti Veyron beating a Ferrari 360 from 0-60 yet I bet on a longer distance the 360 could perform better...
The only thing a 360 is going to beat a veyron on is fuel economy, there really is no comparison.
That's gotta be the worst analogy i've ever seen
The only thing a 360 is going to beat a veyron on is fuel economy, there really is no comparison.
That's gotta be the worst analogy i've ever seen
If you bothered to read what I said directly after it, you would have noticed I said "(dont quote me on that, was just an example if not accurate lol)" and you go and do the exact opposite. Well done on being able to read.