StarTrek XI - ***Spoilers***

[Tunney]

Vulcan destroyed, wtf! Thats totally not what happens in tos etc.

For the last time, it's set in an alternate universe!!!

(I've given up on the spoiler tag )

 

[SkeeterUK]

Who says that it is in a alternative universe and why would they do that for?

 

[xyphic]

Spoilers ahoy!

Who says that it is in a alternative universe and why would they do that for?

I think there was a bit of exposition by old Spock in the film that explained that the act of the Narada destroying the Kelvin caused the timelines to branch, effectively making this into a parallel universe.

In this universe rather than having someone to look up to (his father), Kirk becomes a rebel. It eventually leads down the same path culminating in him becoming captain of the Enterprise, but he's effectively a different character with different motivations. Spock's experience in the film also means that he's less likely to be completely logical; expect to see his emotions explored more in any sequel(s). It's not clear how many of the other characters were affected by the changes to the timeline, but there's no reason to assume that any of them will be exactly the same as the TOS crew.

Finally, the one thing that not many people have really touched on: because this is a parallel universe, the fates of the crew are not set in stone. Just because they all make it to old age in the original timeline, doesn't mean they can't die in this one. At least Joss Whedon wasn't writing it, otherwise one of them would probably already be dead just to prove the point!

Oh, and I'm fairly sure that Pike being in a wheelchair will have been a nod to fans of the original series.

 

[marl]

I absolutely agree with OP. This was the worst Star Trek film /show i've ever seen. It was nothing like Star Trek, plot full of holes and was just very juvenile in style!

 

[Dano]

EDIT: THAR BE SPOILERS AHEAD MATEY!!!

they destroyed Vulcan, this would be a huge set back to the entire federation, not to mention totally unneccasary to the story.

Erm... without that particular plot event how would they have explained Old Spocks appearance on ice planet or given Kirk the opportunity to relieve young Spock of command, seems like it was pretty crucial to the film as a whole really.

Nero`s ship "was just a simple mining ship" from 100 years in the future yet its size and weaponry for a simple mining ship are off the scale.

Are you a Romulan miner from 100 years into that future? Oh wait, you're speculating you cheeky monkey

apparently, in 129 years the romulan sun is going suprnova and spock will save their system, so the entire fricking empire couldnt come up with a method to save their sun yet one old vulcan could?

It was the Vulcan empire, not just Spock, or did you miss that bit too?

the romulan sun went suprnova too early? WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? its the 24th bloody century, the romulans are a technologically advanced culture and yet not only seemingly did they have absolutely no idea that their sun was going nova untill its final days, but they got the timing wrong.

Was it not implied that they thought they were safe waiting for Spock to arrive with his red matter? Timing, did it explode early or did Spock arrive late? I forget. Are Supernovae events easy to time?

kirk promoted scotty to ships engineer after knowing him for a few hours.

The man had just done the supposedly impossible by beaming them onto a warping starship, out of the available choices he seemed like a good bet.

engineering looks more like it was filmed in an abondoned wearhouse with a few orange pipes dotted about.

Now you're a member of starfleet with a knowledge of how engineering on a star ship looks? Double agent!!!

Nero`s apparent speach impedement was terrible.

You didn't like Batman's 'voice' either did you?

all in all, the film itself is fine providing you pay no attention to the logic of the situations it presents you and drift along like an eye candy enfused pleb.

Just because you didn't like it and were unable to understand aspects of it doesn't mean that the rest of us couldn't and calling anybody who liked it a 'pleb' is a little off.

You're welcome to your opinion but it doesn't mean you are right.

 

[Sh3rlock]

Im dying to watch this again, its a damn shame that the closest worth while cinema is 60 miles from me. Watching it in the local would just spoil it.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I also liked that there were a few occasions where they took the sound from the space scenes. nice touch. Not in every space scene, but i think if they'd done that, a lot of people wouldn't have understood the silence, and possibly found it boring.

in particular, where the 3 of them jumped down to the drill. Excellent contrast from the silence of the fall in space to breaking atmo.

Meh.

Considering it was done to death in 2001: A Space Odyssey, it was almost expected.

I liked the film.. only part that bugged me were Nimoy's terrible dentures / veneers.. god, he sounds like an idiot when he speaks.

 

[something_totally_different]

Nice, way to spoil half the ****ing film in your original post! ****, never heard of adding the word "Spolier" to your thread?

Guess I won't bother going to see it this weekend, especially as now you've just ruined it.

Are you ill?

Does "StarTrek XI - maybe im getting old but i was dissapointed. ." not clearly imply that I’ve seen the film... AND I was disappointed, and that I might actually tell you about it rather than start a thread with a title and no info relating to the title. don’t be so dense in future, the problems yours, not mine.

P.S. its spelt spoiler, not

Spolier

It’s a forum and perfection isn’t required, however you may wish to learn to spell a little better before you start trying to insult a persons intellect.

Just because you didn't like it and were unable to understand aspects of it doesn't mean that the rest of us couldn't and calling anybody who liked it a 'pleb' is a little off.

You're welcome to your opinion but it doesn't mean you are right.

That wasn’t what I meant but I can understand how its been interpreted that way and I apologise, I did enjoy the film, I simply meant that anyone who has been an avid trek fan for over a decade really should have some issues with this even if its just minor ones, and if they don’t well then the eye candy has served its purpose.

and yes, i hate batmans voice and still believe he sounds like an angry New York cop with a 40 a day habbit.

 

[shipinabottle]

Are you ill?

Does "StarTrek XI - maybe im getting old but i was dissapointed. ." not clearly imply that I’ve seen the film... AND I was disappointed, and that I might actually tell you about it rather than start a thread with a title and no info relating to the title. don’t be so dense in future, the problems yours, not mine.

P.S. its spelt spoiler, not It’s a forum and perfection isn’t required, however you may wish to learn to spell a little better before you start trying to insult a persons intellect.


That wasn’t what I meant but I can understand how its been interpreted that way and I apologise, I did enjoy the film, I simply meant that anyone who has been an avid trek fan for over a decade really should have some issues with this even if its just minor ones, and if they don’t well then the eye candy has served its purpose.

and yes, i hate batmans voice and still believe he sounds like an angry New York cop with a 40 a day habbit.

i think you missed the purpose of the movie completely mate. its a reboot. by making it a film about changing time they effectively make this a new series of films using old characters. therefore whatever happened in the old films has no relevance on this new series. this was the only way to effectively reboot the franchise with enough interest to both old viewers and introduce new people with the original characters being brough into play.

you still have your old films but you you shouldn't compare the characters too much as people have said this is essentially an alternate universe and therefore people have been affected differently in thier childhood making them different adults.

As for the Engineering look. i rather liked the idea of it looking somewhat like a Oilrig, the old spaceships wont be half as pretty in the bowls as they are in the future. its much like when u see what the titanic looked in the engineering with all the men throwing coal in thier powering it when u compare it to todays ships that look vastly more technical. id apply the same to spaceships aswell crude and industrious at first.

personally i really enjoyed the film, it was full of good humour, the casting was excellent and i couldn't think of a better group of actors now. JJ Abrams has given Star Trek a fresh start which has desperatly been needing after the last couple of bad pictures/series.

 

[atpbx]

• Nero`s ship "was just a simple mining ship" from 100 years in the future yet its size and weaponry for a simple mining ship are off the scale.

Ncc1701 specs http://www.ussenterprise.co.uk/enterprise/ent/

NCC1701-E specs http://www.ussenterprise.co.uk/enterprise/ente/

So the E completely crushes the original enterprise in power, weapon strength, shielding etc etc.

Romulan Warbirds are supposed to be twice as big long as a Galaxy class ship.............
Combine that with salvaged borg technolgy from their own time, and that gives you the ships firepower. Its enormous because it mines PLANETS.

 

[janesssssy]

LOl bunch of geeks tbh, it was a good film - after the film finishes get on with real life!

 

[<Dubz>]

i don't get it, it seems like half the ppl in this thread didn't actually pay any attention to it.

For a start it wasn't the romulan sun that went supernova.

Someone else mentioned about defences, like at earth but i assumed thats why he interogated captain Pike as that what he wanted to know.

I do agree there are some things that don't make sense in the film (but i loved it btw).

Even as a bit of a trek fan i wasn't aware of the Comics coming out as a prequal to the new film, they explain a lot about what happeneded leading upto the new Star Trek film, lots of info about it Here!

 

[nIckEl101]

went to see it last night and really enjoyed it, my wife who always moans whenever i watched the series loved it as well.

Acting was spot on and the humour in was brilliant, with the big helpings of hommage to TOS and leaves it wide open for further development which is a good thing.. who wants to see rehashed stories?

i think this film opens up the franchise even more to the 'next generation' of viewers.

 

[Xenoxide]

Who says that it is in a alternative universe and why would they do that for?

SPOILERS:



It's clearly stated by Spock in the movie that the mere fact that Nero has come back in time to change events has meant that things are no longer happening as they would have, hence creating an alternate universe.

As for why they would do this - creative freedom!

 

[SkeeterUK]

To me that just means the the original timeline has been erased and this is the one that is the proper timeline due to interference.

I still say trek should never have time travel all the episodes and films with it suck.

 

[Loosecannon]

They did the right thing involving time travel.

Now the Trek universe is free to go wherever it wants. Any future films do not have to worry about hardcore trek nuts complaining cos this or that shouldnt happen. Klingons can now be aggressive, not everyone is friends, new aliens can be found etc.

They used it as a way to launch a new timeline, new set of films without having to think of continuity. They did this in a way that would try to keep the old fans and bring in new ones.

I think it worked...

 

[Dark_Angel]

I love how angry people get over small things. It is always entertaining how angry someone gets over something small on the internet.

 

[Greenlizard0]

I know sod all about Star Trek, I only used to watch Voyager because of 7 of 9's boobs. Erm, so is this set in the same time as it, or before?

 

[Antar Bolaeisk]

It's set after Voyager but before the Original Series





Technically before but in a different timeline.

 

[edGfaCTor]

Has any of the people who keep saying they don't understand read the Countdown comics? If not go read them it explains a lot.

The movie makes perfect sense it has a few errors but so do all movies and as others have said it's not just time travelling to the past it's travelling back to an alternate reality which means the future in an alternate reality would change so they will now continue the sotry in that reality not the one we previously knew.