Poll: Who will you vote for next General Election

[Dolph]

With the public sector, I can see the Tories getting in, swinging the axe and clearing out a load of Quangos, saving a fortune, only to be attacked by the opposition as the "Nasty Party" destroying jobs Can't win!

Indeed, that's how Thatcher got a reputation for being a nasty woman who destroyed jobs... She actually expected people to be doing productive jobs and got those who turned up and did non-productive work (or non-cost effective work) out of their cushy jobs for life.

It's a long established labour tactic. Employ loads of people in unnecessary jobs at the taxpayers expense, then moan when they get sacked by someone else, despite the fact they should never have been employed (or should have been downsized long before) in the first place.

 

[Glaucus]

Indeed, that's how Thatcher got a reputation for being a nasty woman who destroyed jobs... She actually expected people to be doing productive jobs and got those who turned up and did non-productive work (or non-cost effective work) out of their cushy jobs for life.

Tis a shame no one will ban unions. I hate all the lazy gits who do nothing, the standard pay rises, the standard pay etc.
we have good employment and discrimination laws. The unions suck.
whilst we have unions it's basically imposable to sack people.

 

[scorza]

But has increased tax burden by massive amounts. Just his plans for the economy will cost something like 1.5k per family. I've also seen figures of 16k per person. Let alone all his other tweaks.

Labour's plans for the economy are borne out of necessity from the lightly regulated banking sector screwing things up for everyone. No-one can complain that they didn't know Labour were going to increase taxes when they came to power, they were voted in on a platform of increasing public spending.

No point earning more, if you pay more and the money is worth less.

That does not apply to a single person in this country.

 

[Solari]

That does not apply to a single person in this country.

Not quite sure what he was getting at with the earning more part but I thought of it a bit like my own situation. I can't be bothered to do as much overtime anymore because of the ridiculous amount of tax I pay.

I'd rather have time in lieu when I have to do OT tbh and stick it to the man, especially if taxes rise any more.

 

[Dolph]

Tis a shame no one will ban unions. I hate all the lazy gits who do nothing, the standard pay rises, the standard pay etc.
we have good employment and discrimination laws. The unions suck.
whilst we have unions it's basically imposable to sack people.

I disagree, there are good and bad unions, just as there are good and bad employers. A good union will help address bad employers, and will recognise good employers, as well as not protecting **** employees.

The problem is bad unions will argue with good employers, and protect bad employees.

It's also perfectly possible to sack people, even when they are represented by union members or officials, it's just that you have to ensure you're doing it right.

 

[Glaucus]

Labour's plans for the economy are borne out of necessity from the lightly regulated banking sector screwing things up for everyone. No-one can complain that they didn't know Labour were going to increase taxes when they came to power, they were voted in on a platform of increasing public spending.

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yes banks fault. but that does not mean labour have safeguarded us against a bigger fall than needed. It also does not mean they have made the right choice in trying to dig us out.

They are using futile methods to try and dig us out and wasting billions doing it. They also enjoyed 8 or so years of a growing economy by spending, which ahs set us up nicely for a much much larger fall.

I disagree, there are good and bad unions, just as there are good and bad employers. A good union will help address bad employers, and will recognise good employers, as well as not protecting **** employees.

The problem is bad unions will argue with good employers, and protect bad employees.

It's also perfectly possible to sack people, even when they are represented by union members or officials, it's just that you have to ensure you're doing it right.

Probably true, I only have RMT as a reference. even though I'm a member I have no time for them on nearly all their "policies"

 

[Sankari]

Cameron has already said that there needs to be shrinkage of the bloated public sector along with renegotiation of pay deals and the like.

That's what I'd expect him to say. But do you really think he'd touch the quangos? Unlikely.

 

[Dolph]

Labour's plans for the economy are borne out of necessity from the lightly regulated banking sector screwing things up for everyone. No-one can complain that they didn't know Labour were going to increase taxes when they came to power, they were voted in on a platform of increasing public spending.

Who imposed the current regulatory process on the fiancial system? The regulations were a classic example of incorrect interference in that they didn't address any of the risks themselves, but also removed the natural market controls and regulatory systems in the process...

That does not apply to a single person in this country.

It applies to every person in this country, as you have to way up whether the pay rise/promotion/overtime will give you a significant benefit by the time the government has had their take. With the unfair stepped tax bands employed for income tax (and the measure to remove personal allowances from some earners) this definitely can happen in this country.

 

[Sankari]

Can someone please buy Dolph a green card and put him out of his misery?

Thanks.

 

[scorza]

Can someone please buy Dolph a green card and put him out of his misery?

Thanks.

Things may not be to Dolph's liking in the USA either

 

[MrMoonX]

wow theres 15 racists on OCuk

 

[Solari]

That's what I'd expect him to say. But do you really think he'd touch the quangos? Unlikely.

Considering that ridiculous sums are being wasted on what are effectively non-jobs (just look at the Guardian jobs pages!) I would certainly hope he would!

 

[Dolph]

Can someone please buy Dolph a green card and put him out of his misery?

Thanks.

Things may not be to Dolph's liking in the USA either

What a pair of convincing counter arguments...

We'll ignore the fact that I've never suggested a desire to emigrate or a desire for anarchy...

 

[Sankari]

What a pair of convincing counter arguments...

I wasn't aware that we were arguing, Dolph. Nor was I aware that my facetious suggestion was a "counter argument" (a counter argument against what, pray tell?)

We'll ignore the fact that I've never suggested a desire to emigrate or a desire for anarchy...

No, you've just sat in this country and whined incessantly about everything.

My sister in law is a Yank. I'll have a word.

 

[dirtydog]

BNP if they field a candidate here. Otherwise nobody.

 

[Barks]

Anyone who thinks Labour are all about the working man, and consequently the working class have benefited under their wing is deluded but, funnily, also a victim of Labour's lies and manipulated statistics.

 

[izzy eckerslike]

Have any of you given any thought as to how your parents or grandparents are faring under the present economic struggle ? My father is 90 & has never had it so good, he gets £400 to help him pay his winter gas bill
Are they not better off under Labour, the Labour government have improved things for the elderly such as winter fuel payments. And the pension link to earnings abolished by the last Tory government shortly to be reinstated.
Pension credit to help the poorer pensioners raise the basic pension up to a more realistic amount with no council tax to pay.

As a pensioner myself I wonder how safe all these would be under a new Tory government. Remember that pensioners who have to claim the above are not benefit scroungers, they have worked all their lives to reach pensionable age


The grey vote will count, they have long memories

 

[Pinkeyes]

i was making the point that there may be just as many posh/rich members of other parties possibly voiding that argument.

"May be just as many"

The thing is, (and IMO) the other parties do a better job of having representatives from different classes and backgrounds. The tories are like an Eton boys club, and if that isn't true, then that's how they come across to me.
Having the taxpayers pay to have your moat cleaned just about says it all for me.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

"May be just as many"

The thing is, (and IMO) the other parties do a better job of having representatives from different classes and backgrounds. The tories are like an Eton boys club, and if that isn't true, then that's how they come across to me.
Having the taxpayers pay to have your moat cleaned just about says it all for me.

Do you know what an Eton boys club is? Do you know anyone who went to Eton? Do you know how many Tory MPs are from Eton? By the sounds of it, your answer to each of those questions is "No", and you're just just stereotyping.

 

[Rich_L]

Interesting that the IMF are praising the governments responses to the banking crisis.

What was the Tory idea again?