The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

I got a leaflet through my door when i was home once.
I grabbed it, screwed it up, threw it at the bloke posting them and preceded to have a go at him "get the **** out of my neighbourhood you racist **** and don't ever come round here again!!" kind of thing

My nan who lives 2 doors away was also in at the time, she didn't look best pleased at the way i'd handled the situation even though she's against it as well :D

Theres also a massive UKIP poster up on my bus route, every time i go past it i feel like going with some spray paint to write "No more nazis, get out" or something.
 
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dangerstat said:
It's actually quite an interesting question, as to if genetically certain races of individuals are on average less intelligent that others. And to be fair it does actually make sense to suggest there would be an inherent difference.

It's nothing to do with racism, or lack of respect for others, it's a straight question of do we really know if there is a IQ difference between the races. For a start basic statical methods will show you there is a significant advantage in being black for sprinting - so why would we assume there is no equal bias in intelligence?

To be honest it's an area worthy of significant research, but there'll be no one (or no one trust worthy) willing to study this in any detail as they'll be labeled racist (as is evident by some of the posts here).

In my own view (and I'm in no way racist) there probably is a mean level difference in intelligence. Probably caused by the environments the different races faces millions of years ago. It seems to me that for African environments, strength is was an important factor for survival for hunting purposes where as in the north west areas, hunters needed to be smarter to survive. Following Darwin you'd tend to suggest that by survival of the fittest, you'd get stronger but no smarter humans in Africa vs smarter but no stronger humans in the north west.

There's no reason to think that intelligence wasn't affected in the past just like skin colour, physique etc.

Shame this can't be debated without racist accusations being thrown about left right and center
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Interesting hypothesis, but I can counter that. In Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel, he makes a similar argument but in reverse.

He asserts that hundreds of years ago in places such as the Far East and Africa, people need to be much more aware of their surroundings and must know the land and how the environment changes to survive. Without this knowledge from an early age, they will either die of hunger of from wild animals. The most intelligent will prosper more often than not.

Europeans on the other hand were separated not by their ability to gather knowledge but by their biological resistance to diseases such as smallpox and cholera.

You should read the book, it makes quite a compelling argument to why the world is so European centric, and the reasons aren't intelligence ;)
 
Enlighten a dane here, sounds like a typical nationalist party with the same methods?

We have something similar here, always misquoting & misusing danish history and values, it's terrible but they're rapidly gaining votes and basically control our government.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Europeans on the other hand were separated not by their ability to gather knowledge but by their biological resistance to diseases such as smallpox and cholera.

You should read the book, it makes quite a compelling argument to why the world is so European centric, and the reasons aren't intelligence ;)
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you can't say white ie euros have better genes than black in fighting illness, you can't because we are equal in eveyway.
 
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you can't say white ie euros have better genes than black in fighting illness, you can't because we are equal in eveyway.
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Equality is about being treated equally, not about saying we are the same - that'd be stupid, we're not the same genetically but does that matter?

And the fact that we're better at fighting disease is fact and it's not always a good thing. Civilisations have inadvertently been destroyed through out ignorance.
 
Talrinys said:
Enlighten a dane here, sounds like a typical nationalist party with the same methods?

We have something similar here, always misquoting & misusing danish history and values, it's terrible but they're rapidly gaining votes and basically control our government.
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Pretty much the long and tehe short of it. No real policies other than "get the foreigners out" and a whole bunch of populist stuff with zero detail on how they are going to acheive it. I can't actually think how anyone who was of reasonable intelligence but wasn't racist would fall for the populist stuff and then overlook the racist stuff but it seems to happen on a fairly regular basis.

As three of my cousins would be asked to leave (Egyptian father) I can't really support them. Especially as one of my cousins is a consultant radiologist like her father before her. Not to mention that they can't really define who is and isn't British.
 
I get around said:
Theres also a massive UKIP poster up on my bus route, every time i go past it i feel like going with some spray paint to write "No more nazis, get out" or something.
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Yes because the UKIP are a Nazi party :confused: Actually the Nazis would doubtless approve of your desire to censor or bully parties whose policies you don't like.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You should read the book, it makes quite a compelling argument to why the world is so European centric, and the reasons aren't intelligence ;)
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I have no interest in posting on this topic, but thank you for reminding me of the title of that book. I shall now order it :D
 
I get around said:
I got a leaflet through my door when i was home once.
I grabbed it, screwed it up, threw it at the bloke posting them and preceded to have a go at him "get the **** out of my neighbourhood you racist **** and don't ever come round here again!!" kind of thing

My nan who lives 2 doors away was also in at the time, she didn't look best pleased at the way i'd handled the situation even though she's against it as well :D

Theres also a massive UKIP poster up on my bus route, every time i go past it i feel like going with some spray paint to write "No more nazis, get out" or something.
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tut tut

BNP For The Win
 
Humans are a funny species aren't they. If we all had the same colour skin tomorrow we would only find other ways to hate each other for no good reason.

Legislate all you want, but it won't make a blind bit of difference. Getting angry at BNP flyer and going out swearing and being abusive about them makes you no different to them in my eyes.

However, I don't hate you for it, and I don't hate them for hating you. Comical that you both hate each other and blame each other for your own failings really. Just goes to show how warped the human species is. You ain't going to change that in a hurry, so why develop high blood pressure getting all miffed about it and self righteous.
 
I get around said:
I got a leaflet through my door when i was home once.
I grabbed it, screwed it up, threw it at the bloke posting them and preceded to have a go at him "get the **** out of my neighbourhood you racist **** and don't ever come round here again!!" kind of thing

My nan who lives 2 doors away was also in at the time, she didn't look best pleased at the way i'd handled the situation even though she's against it as well :D

Theres also a massive UKIP poster up on my bus route, every time i go past it i feel like going with some spray paint to write "No more nazis, get out" or something.
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That will just prove to the person that they are right to vote for that party.
For Actions there are consequences.
 
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RDM said:
Especially as one of my cousins is a consultant radiologist like her father before her.
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In other words, in a very vital position that really has an effect on any society, and a position that is not exactly achived by doing nothing. That is the inevitable consequence of anti-foreigner policy, the degradation of the society that elects these parties. It's a shame, i would love to say that your cousin could come work here, where we have a desperate lack of that field of professions, but that would be a lie, as we would not even consider that option :/

At least our version has a quite sensible vision on a few other parts of society, but that all really has its roots in populism anyway.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Equality is about being treated equally, not about saying we are the same - that'd be stupid, we're not the same genetically but does that matter?

And the fact that we're better at fighting disease is fact and it's not always a good thing. Civilisations have inadvertently been destroyed through out ignorance.
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Same rights access as everyone else, however how does the no policy on giving women and minority groups positive discrimination over white men, set out a quota of how many % should be taken up in employment.
 
dangerstat said:
It's actually quite an interesting question, as to if genetically certain races of individuals are on average less intelligent that others. And to be fair it does actually make sense to suggest there would be an inherent difference.

It's nothing to do with racism, or lack of respect for others, it's a straight question of do we really know if there is a IQ difference between the races. For a start basic statical methods will show you there is a significant advantage in being black for sprinting - so why would we assume there is no equal bias in intelligence?

To be honest it's an area worthy of significant research, but there'll be no one (or no one trust worthy) willing to study this in any detail as they'll be labeled racist (as is evident by some of the posts here).

In my own view (and I'm in no way racist) there probably is a mean level difference in intelligence. Probably caused by the environments the different races faces millions of years ago. It seems to me that for African environments, strength is was an important factor for survival for hunting purposes where as in the north west areas, hunters needed to be smarter to survive. Following Darwin you'd tend to suggest that by survival of the fittest, you'd get stronger but no smarter humans in Africa vs smarter but no stronger humans in the north west.

There's no reason to think that intelligence wasn't affected in the past just like skin colour, physique etc.

Shame this can't be debated without racist accusations being thrown about left right and center
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I won't be making any in this post, so read on.

There are several minor and one overwhelmingly major problems with your line of argument. Minor ones first.

Why would strength be less important when hunting in northwest Europe, compared with hunting in Africa?

Why do you lump all of Africa together as a single environment, given the massive variation in environments around Africa?

The key difference is heat. If your hypothesis was correct (and see below for the really big problem with it), the major distinction would be how difference "races" (which don't actually exist, hence my use of speech marks) deal with heat. There would be massive differences, given that parts of Africa are easily hot enough to kill a human and parts of northwest Europe are easily cold enough to kill a human. Your "African race" would be very strongly adapted for shedding heat and your "Northwest European race" would be very strongly adapted for conserving heat. That is not the case - all modern humans are predominantly adapted for shedding heat.

Which brings me neatly on to the gaping flaw in your hypothesis, a flaw so big it makes Olympus Mons look like a molehill:

You wrote:

In my own view (and I'm in no way racist) there probably is a mean level difference in intelligence. Probably caused by the environments the different races faces millions of years ago.
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There is no indication of homo sapiens sapiens in northwest Europe more than about 40,000 years ago. This completely nullifies your hypothesis because the circumstances you rely on for your hypthesis simply didn't exist.
 
I do hope those who find the BNP so abhorrent hold no prejudices themselves. However, I have yet to meet anyone like that, and doubt there isn't a single soul on this planet who could. For instance to claim anyone who votes BNP is a racist....
 
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