The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

Burnsy2023 · 23 May 2009 at 22:07

mattheman said:
and what do you call that? a dictatorship/ totalitarianism.

You've lost me.

Stolly · 23 May 2009 at 22:07

dirtydog said:
I'm not sure, Wiki says it is though. But either way it is extremely brutal and barbaric. Corporal punishment is a comparatively very mild form of physical punishment which leaves no lasting injury.

Fair enough. Since i take it that you are a BNP supporter, and the other chap doesn't seem to want to answer the question....Do you think that economic protectionism as detailed in the manifesto is a viable policy ?

The BNP can't be a one issue party if it wants to get anywhere, so may as well start with the economy.

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:07

semi-pro waster said:
Couldn't the same effect be reached if all the potential BNP voters instead opted for the Monster Raving Loony Party? If all the vote is for is that it is a protest vote then why pick the BNP, why not any other fringe party to express your dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs?

Because they are afraid of the BNP

Burnsy2023 · 23 May 2009 at 22:07

deuse said:
A bit like the police force at the mow dont you think

No, not at all.

Burnsy2023 · 23 May 2009 at 22:08

dirtydog said:
Because they are afraid of the BNP

Afraid is the wrong word. The BNP have no credibility, how can you be afraid of a farce?

p4radox · 23 May 2009 at 22:10

mattheman said:
were does he say white?
residents and citizens are different, they are not the same.

Citizens and residents are indeed different. But Griffin is saying that Black/Asian citizens do not exist, and should be referred to as 'black residents'.

So by denying that black British citizens exist, and by saying that they are black residents, and that black residents should be sent back, there's only one conclusion.

He wants to send away non-whites.

Here's a direct quotation from the article so you understand:

BBC said:
The BNP manual, leaked to the anti-fascist group Searchlight and seen by the BBC, says that "BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".

"These people are 'black residents' of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese.

[...]

The manual describes the BNP's "ultimate aim" as the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:10

Burnsy2023 said:
I agree they need a shake up, the BNP are not the answer, in fact if the BNP ever got into power I would be dreaming of another Gordon Brown/labour government and I want to see them out of office as much as anyone.

The BNP aren't going to get into power on June 4th are they. For a start it's the euro elections, not a general election. All being well they will get a few MEPs elected but the main thing is the number of votes they receive nationally. The more votes they get, the bigger the message we are sending to the politicians at Westminster.

chuck990 · 23 May 2009 at 22:12

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:12

Burnsy2023 said:
Afraid is the wrong word. The BNP have no credibility, how can you be afraid of a farce?

It seems you underestimate the BNP and the way their policies strike a chord with many people in this country, but our politicians don't underestimate them. Their biggest fear is anything which upsets their cosy status quo.

mattheman · 23 May 2009 at 22:12

p4radox said:
Citizens and residents are indeed different. But Griffin is saying that Black/Asian citizens do not exist, and should be referred to as 'black residents'.

So by denying that black British citizens exist, and by saying that they are black residents, and that black residents should be sent back, there's only one conclusion.

He wants to send away non-whites.

were if did he say that? do you have him saying it or a newspaper saying it?

Von Smallhausen · 23 May 2009 at 22:13

deuse said:
A bit like the police force at the mow dont you think

As force policies and priorities are ultimately set by government I do believe the police are absolved of blame.

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:13

chuck990 said:

British people can live overseas, is that a confusing concept?

Vonhelmet · 23 May 2009 at 22:14

Burnsy2023 said:
The thing is, they did nothing illegal as they made the rules. The law needs to be changed to close this loophole but there's not a lot you can do.

If this is about MP's expenses, then they did do something wrong when they signed their forms vouching that the expenses claimed were "wholly, exclusively and necessarily for the performance of their duties" which is the bit that allows the expense to be reimbursed free of tax.

They were either wilfully lying, or their employers were not explaining the W,E+N thing to them properly, in which case they were making dishonest claims without knowing it.

Tefal · 23 May 2009 at 22:14

dirtydog said:
British people can live overseas, is that a confusing concept?

but foreigners can't live in Britain?

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:14

Von Smallhausen said:
The decision and subsequent blame for not prosecuting lies firmly at the door of the CPS.

Stinks though doesn't it?

You can bet if BNP politicians had been found thieving tens of thousands of taxpayers' cash, the CPS wouldn't sit on their hands!

Burnsy2023 · 23 May 2009 at 22:15

dirtydog said:
The BNP aren't going to get into power on June 4th are they. For a start it's the euro elections, not a general election. All being well they will get a few MEPs elected but the main thing is the number of votes they receive nationally. The more votes they get, the bigger the message we are sending to the politicians at Westminster.

I'm sorry, that's laughable. We'll protest by giving idiots power in Europe? That's like giving a child an angle grinder, it'll only end up in bad things.

dirtydog said:
It seems you underestimate the BNP and the way their policies strike a chord with many people in this country, but our politicians don't underestimate them. Their biggest fear is anything which upsets their cosy status quo.

I think you over estimate the BNP support. Their policies hold no weight and as such could never upset the status quo.

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:15

Tefal said:
but foreigners can't live in Britain?

The BNP have never had a policy of not letting foreigners live in Britain.

Tefal · 23 May 2009 at 22:16

dirtydog said:
The BNP have never had a policy of not letting foreigners live in Britain.

the BNP's "ultimate aim" as the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

seems like they do.

dirtydog · 23 May 2009 at 22:17

No they don't, unless you missed the word voluntary.

p4radox · 23 May 2009 at 22:18

mattheman said:
were if did he say that? do you have him saying it or a newspaper saying it?

Once again, it's here:

Griffin said:
"BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".

So he denies that Black or Asian Britons exist. So he denies that Black or Asian British citizens exit.

Griffin said:
"These people are 'black residents' of the UK"

[...]

"Collectively, foreign residents of other races should be referred to as 'racial foreigners'"

He redefines them as "foreign residents", and then redefines them as "racial foreigners".

BNP manual said:
The manual describes the BNP's "ultimate aim" as the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK"

So these racial foreigners (British citizens of Black/Asian ethnicity) should be repatriated.

It's all from this article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8011878.stm