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I would like to know Exactly what is wrong with being Uneducated & working class or what is wrong with people from Council estates, **** me you lot are Snobs & the worst kind. Do you not realise that you are No better than the BNP with your attitude.
Jeez & they call me ignorant.
Its just shows you the level of ignorant, so all those on the list judges, police etc.. are all thick? just because they have joined a party.
The true thickos are labour party members and people whom have voted for labour, knowing full well the screwups theyve done.
I just cannot believe somebody would be that ignorant to post that Quote highlighting the LOT. 
What exactly does he think happened Before schools & education ect
Also what about Tribes like the Maasai Mara are they Ignorant ???
What a Joke that Man is & how nice of him to put his Ignorance in plain sight.
What exactly does he think happened Before schools & education ect
Also what about Tribes like the Maasai Mara are they Ignorant ???
What a Joke that Man is & how nice of him to put his Ignorance in plain sight.
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Malc, please please please - it is etc not ect
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I just cannot believe somebody would be that ignorant to post that Quote highlighting the LOT.
What exactly does he think happened Before schools & education ect
Also what about Tribes like the Maasai Mara are they Ignorant ???
What a Joke that Man is & how nice of him to put his Ignorance in plain sight.
It depends how you want to define educated, if the assumption is that only formal education (school, university etc) is valid then I'd have to disagree. Some of the people I'd describe as the smartest and most educated I know have very little in the way of a formal education, sometimes not even what would have been the state mandated minimum when they grew up but because they had a desire to learn more and the capacity to absorb further knowledge they are interesting and erudite individuals. Conversely some of the people I've met with a great deal of formal qualifications have very little of interest or worth to say. It's possible that you and Hatter The Mad are talking at cross-purposes because of a misinterpretation in the definition.
I am not being elitist with education. I meant in knowledge. I'm sorry, but i am yet to come across a knowledgeable BNP voter who actually knows what is true and what is not from personal expeirence and reading up on it. Instead they seem to agreee with the first thing they hear or see (most often of their also uneducated parents or grandads) and immediatley accept it.
I can't stand peopel who immediatley jump on the 'zomg class warfare' band wagon. I've already said that social class is not a problem. I merely stated the TRUE and FACTUAl demographic of BNP voters and the social trends that most likley come with that demographic. Just accept thats the case. Also i accept many working class people to be perfectly intelligent and most often have the most common sense. I am just saying OUT OF BNP VOTERS which is less than 1% of the country most of them are uneducated working class whites. Don't take this as me saying that all working class people are accademically uneducated and ALL vote for BNP as that is most certainly not what i am saying
I can't stand peopel who immediatley jump on the 'zomg class warfare' band wagon. I've already said that social class is not a problem. I merely stated the TRUE and FACTUAl demographic of BNP voters and the social trends that most likley come with that demographic. Just accept thats the case. Also i accept many working class people to be perfectly intelligent and most often have the most common sense. I am just saying OUT OF BNP VOTERS which is less than 1% of the country most of them are uneducated working class whites. Don't take this as me saying that all working class people are accademically uneducated and ALL vote for BNP as that is most certainly not what i am saying
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Why does it make me ignorant if I think that education (and I will reiterate that I did not specify formal education) is important? I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion.Really.
My God you are Ignorant aren't you.
Don't worry, he is displaying his own ignorance in misreading posts and in turn calling people ignorant.
Irony.
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He made a sweeping generalisation, but his general point is fairly valid, as un-PC it might be.
Also, bringing up a house you own that he 'couldnt afford in his life time', just mutes your argument and makes you look like a moron. If you are truely working class, and didnt inherit the house/money for it, then of course someone in similiar or better financial standing could achieve the same. Not only that, but without knowing anything about the guy its just plain dumb.
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Indeed, Personally I think it's naive and silly to try and say BNP supporters are uneducated and that this is a result of the fact they are working class. There are plenty of ways to debunk BNP claims, bringing down the tone of conversation doesn't help anyone.
Ignorance is an issue, but highly intelligent people can have exactly the same problem.
Most BNP voters are working class people who are also unknowledgeable or uneducated. <THIS IS MY CLAIM THAT I INTENDED TO MAKE Pretty much fact or atleast incredibly hard to dispute.
Also people can stop giving me that class warefare and generalisation bull **** the majority arguing against me are generalising people due to skin coliur (though iacknowledge nost many here) or because theyve taken Immigrants as scum at first site and wont budge on it; an undecuated, ignorant and almost mornic approach, more so than anyone could say against my claim.
I'm sorry but most blue collar workers work i nthose industries due to either lack of accademic grades (this is not a problem, but if you first fail at attaining a job look elsewhere, it really doesn't limit your choices as much as you think), i also get the idea that most working class peopel live out their lives in either similar palces all their life or mostly the one city they were born in. Sorry if i am wrong, but i feel quite confident when i assume that the demographic of the BNP voters being working class is due to these factors and them not opening their eyes and making their own decisions.
Thankfully most working class people do carry a good amount of common sense and are well grounded people and vote for a party which (well until recently unfortunatley for them) will provide for them and look afte rthem and thats labour. I understand Labour have screwed everyone over a bit now really. but the BNP is certainly not the right way to go to counter act this
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Yes, not a lot you can say in reply to that is there?
I know, thats about 3 times now where a person has done the classy roll eyes or one word answer as they just wont budge on their opinion despite all reasonable claims of theirs being proven wrong or unlikley to be correct.
Yes I could come back BUT
I can't bring myself down to your level of thinking it gives me a headache.
And who said I was BNP supporter or are you just guessing?
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I agree but remember that before the BNP those people voted Labour.
Wow, 20+ pages. That’s my morning gone then.....
Very entertaining discussion with obviously passionate views on all sides.
Who are the Britons ?
With no limit on heritage then no-one really as others have already stated. BBC website has some interesting info here. which essentially says that shortly before 6000BC Briton was part of Europe.
With someone mentioning the tribes of Briton, the BBC also has them listed here.
There also seems to be quite a bit of confusion over Nationality, Citizenship, resident and Native.
Native is covered above with relation to Briton.
Citizenship is a type of Nationality and is covered on the Home Office website here.
Residency (as in 'indefinite leave to remain') is covered again by the Home Office here.
Wikipedia also has a reasonable take on Nationality and Citizenship here.
As for the Bishop of York, my view is that as a Citizen he should have every right as granted by Citizenship to voice his opinions with regards to any political party he chooses but as a religious leader he should work to keep politics and religion separate. So in essence he should be free to say "don't vote BNP" but should also make it clear that he speaks for himself and not the church. Just my views on that mind you.
As far as the BNP goes, whilst I am a causation British national, My wife is Chinese and our son is mixed which according to quotes of Nick Griffin (taken from Wikipedia)stated this makes him one of 'the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism'. Having lived in Singapore for 2 1/2 years now I can say that my son does not feel that way at all especially with the amount of 'good' attention he gets when we go out from the predominantly Chinese community.
Repatriation does not just affect unskilled workers. A large number of people I worked with in the UK came over from India. They were working for a service company who hired in India and paid a lower wage than hiring staff in the UK. These people then came from India and worked in the UK under a work permit. Now, I don't like this way of doing things as it clearly takes jobs away from UK workers but then the UK workers would not work for the rates these Indian service company workers did. The company is a global company and when deciding where to have various regional offices the cost of the local workforce is taken in to consideration and the UK is not cheap on a global scale in that regard. By outsourcing the lower skilled jobs, the regional office stays cheaper than competitive countries in the same region and therefore the more skilled workforce (with higher wages) can then be sourced locally. Whilst the workforce cost is not the only thing in the equation, removing these foreign workers could quite easily 'tip the balance' especially at times like this and prompt the company to relocate offices to another cheaper country making the other 'native' staff redundant.
I would also be interested to know what jobs will be provided for the expats who may be also repatriated by other countries in reprisal for the BNP kicking out all the ‘jolly foreigners’. Surely they have a plan to employ all the high paid British people working overseas who may be 'firmly encouraged to voluntarily return to the UK'. I am sure they would not let the British Nationals be thrown back without a decent job of the level they are forced to leave as a knock on effect from the BNP's actions in the UK. Would they 'firmly encourage me to voluntarily' live apart from my Chinese wife and mixed race son ?.
Would the 'firmly' relate to the hardness of the truncheon used ?
RB
Very entertaining discussion with obviously passionate views on all sides.
Who are the Britons ?
With no limit on heritage then no-one really as others have already stated. BBC website has some interesting info here. which essentially says that shortly before 6000BC Briton was part of Europe.
With someone mentioning the tribes of Briton, the BBC also has them listed here.
There also seems to be quite a bit of confusion over Nationality, Citizenship, resident and Native.
Native is covered above with relation to Briton.
Citizenship is a type of Nationality and is covered on the Home Office website here.
Residency (as in 'indefinite leave to remain') is covered again by the Home Office here.
Wikipedia also has a reasonable take on Nationality and Citizenship here.
As for the Bishop of York, my view is that as a Citizen he should have every right as granted by Citizenship to voice his opinions with regards to any political party he chooses but as a religious leader he should work to keep politics and religion separate. So in essence he should be free to say "don't vote BNP" but should also make it clear that he speaks for himself and not the church. Just my views on that mind you.
As far as the BNP goes, whilst I am a causation British national, My wife is Chinese and our son is mixed which according to quotes of Nick Griffin (taken from Wikipedia)stated this makes him one of 'the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism'. Having lived in Singapore for 2 1/2 years now I can say that my son does not feel that way at all especially with the amount of 'good' attention he gets when we go out from the predominantly Chinese community.
Repatriation does not just affect unskilled workers. A large number of people I worked with in the UK came over from India. They were working for a service company who hired in India and paid a lower wage than hiring staff in the UK. These people then came from India and worked in the UK under a work permit. Now, I don't like this way of doing things as it clearly takes jobs away from UK workers but then the UK workers would not work for the rates these Indian service company workers did. The company is a global company and when deciding where to have various regional offices the cost of the local workforce is taken in to consideration and the UK is not cheap on a global scale in that regard. By outsourcing the lower skilled jobs, the regional office stays cheaper than competitive countries in the same region and therefore the more skilled workforce (with higher wages) can then be sourced locally. Whilst the workforce cost is not the only thing in the equation, removing these foreign workers could quite easily 'tip the balance' especially at times like this and prompt the company to relocate offices to another cheaper country making the other 'native' staff redundant.
I would also be interested to know what jobs will be provided for the expats who may be also repatriated by other countries in reprisal for the BNP kicking out all the ‘jolly foreigners’. Surely they have a plan to employ all the high paid British people working overseas who may be 'firmly encouraged to voluntarily return to the UK'. I am sure they would not let the British Nationals be thrown back without a decent job of the level they are forced to leave as a knock on effect from the BNP's actions in the UK. Would they 'firmly encourage me to voluntarily' live apart from my Chinese wife and mixed race son ?.
Would the 'firmly' relate to the hardness of the truncheon used ?
RB
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