The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[kylew]

I'm not making a comment on the politics as such...vote for who you like

So i got a leaflet from our BNP friends through the door yesterday. Not exactly singing the praises of immigration. Not a fan of immigrants coming in and doing the jobs that British workers could be doing etc etc.

Illustrating the point with an RAF Spitfire. A Polish RAF Spitfire, from one of the Polish squadrons, flown by an immigrant who came in and did a job etc etc....

Just thought it was funny

What a load of BS. I reckon you're of the opinion that they're not just 'working jobs the British should have' but that they're 'STEALING OUR JOBS'.

You're so ignorant it's painful. It's not the immigrants that are 'STEALING' the jobs, it's the greedy employers who choose the immigrants over Brittish natives because they can get away with paying them less money.

When the employer isn't being greedy and trying to pay them as little as possible, then you know the 'immigrant' was deemed best for the job, not because they're immigrants, but because they're more appealing than anyone else who applied.

There's no reason some one from another country shouldn't be able to get a job they want providing they're capable of doing it to the employer's requirements.

I do think that immigrants shouldn't be allowed in if they've made no effort to learn english though unless they are seeking asylum.

It's one of the most frustrating things getting on a bus where the bus driver doesn't seem to know any English. Again though, that's more likely to be the bus comapny being greedy with money.

 

[p4radox]

Kylew I think you're reading him wrong. He was just pointing out the absurdity of the BNP leaflet.

 

[kylew]

Kylew I think you're reading him wrong. He was just pointing out the absurdity of the BNP leaflet.

I know, but the rest of his post kind of contradicted the 'joking' aspect of it. The BNP folk do really love to go on about the 'stealing' of jobs.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Most BNP voters are working class people who are also unknowledgeable or uneducated. <THIS IS MY CLAIM THAT I INTENDED TO MAKE Pretty much fact or atleast incredibly hard to dispute.

The bit that I have a problem with is that you think this makes a difference. A large proportion of people in the UK are working class and therefore this is no surprise - all of the big parties will have a strong working class following too. Class and formal education has little bearing on whether people can synthesis information and make a valid conclusion. So, in conclusion, your point is moot.

 

[deuse]

As for the Bishop of York, my view is that as a Citizen he should have every right as granted by Citizenship to voice his opinions with regards to any political party he chooses but as a religious leader he should work to keep politics and religion separate. So in essence he should be free to say "don't vote BNP" but should also make it clear that he speaks for himself and not the church. Just my views on that mind you.

Are you saying it ok for Bishop of York a none native to say what he likes because he has a UK passport.

But its not ok for a Native UK person to say what he likes because he is BNP?

or have I got that wrong?

 

[Dolph]

The big problem with BNP supporters seems to either a lack of knowledege about the party they support, or a deliberate attempt to decieve with regards to the party. The BNP constitution clearly shows that the party discriminates by skin colour, and yet many posters in this thread seem to not know this or be unwilling to admit this.

If it's a lack of knowledge, then people really need to be researching before they state their allegience, if they are attempting to decieve, well, I suppose they are fitting in with the party line since Griffin took over, but they have to accept that people will see through their deception and call it like it is.

 

[p4radox]

Are you saying it ok for Bishop of York a none native to say what he likes because he has a UK passport.

But its not ok for a Native UK person to say what he likes because he is BNP?

or have I got that wrong?

I don't want to answer for the guy, but where did he say that?

As far as I can tell he simply favours free speech.

 

[knowlesy]

I just wanna give them a big cuddle and let them go back to their toys

I think the BNP are awesome.

It's great for keeping morons in one place, in plain sight.

Yeh i had a BNP leaflet through the post the other day with a doctor on it, claiming he was a BNP supporter. Dispite it being legal, I would be shocked if somebody like a Doctor admitted they supported the BNP.

lol im loving these post's !!!

im shocked most of the leaflets were even delivered as the posty's where kicking off about it, tbh if it wasn't that hard to find a new job (as where in hard times as were constantly told) id rarther get the sack for not delivering tbh (if i was a posty)

 

[deuse]

The big problem with BNP supporters seems to either a lack of knowledege about the party they support, or a deliberate attempt to decieve with regards to the party. The BNP constitution clearly shows that the party discriminates by skin colour, and yet many posters in this thread seem to not know this or be unwilling to admit this.

If it's a lack of knowledge, then people really need to be researching before they state their allegience, if they are attempting to decieve, well, I suppose they are fitting in with the party line since Griffin took over, but they have to accept that people will see through their deception and call it like it is.

I dont think you are right..Why
Well how many people do you know that read any party's manifesto?
How many read the white papers that has there party's manifesto in detail?

I know of none. People only here what they want to hear i.e
maggie the hun got in because she said she would lower taxation lower family bills etc.(she never did)

Now there are many people in the UK think that we are FULL
we have no empty housing for them,we can't afford the NHS bill for them
and we certainly can't afford the free hand out of cash every week.

So if lots of people in the UK have a problem with immigration and want it changed
they will look for a person that will solve it no matter what other things
they want to do in gov.

And lets be real here, it is way to easy to get in here.

 

[Dolph]

There are other parties with immigration control plans that aren't inherently racist. The fact that many of these people claim not be be racist, but will happily support a party with a racist constitution dedicated to removal of non-whites from Britain suggests otherwise, especially when they keep defending/supporting the party when the reality is laid out clearly for them.

A big part of the issue is again that the anti-immigration agenda has been hijacked by those who wish to discriminate based on race (or more accurately skin colour), this can be shown by reviewing their comments or focusing on the kind of immigration they wish to reduce. They then try to claim they aren't racist, they are anti-immigration.

I too think there needs to be significant change in our immigration policy, primarily based on economics, we need people coming in who are going to provide a net economic benefit, rather than a net economic loss. But that's not enough for some people...

 

[dirtydog]

There are other parties with immigration control plans that aren't inherently racist. The fact that many of these people claim not be be racist, but will happily support a party with a racist constitution dedicated to removal of non-whites from Britain suggests otherwise, especially when they keep defending/supporting the party when the reality is laid out clearly for them.

A big part of the issue is again that the anti-immigration agenda has been hijacked by those who wish to discriminate based on race (or more accurately skin colour), this can be shown by reviewing their comments or focusing on the kind of immigration they wish to reduce. They then try to claim they aren't racist, they are anti-immigration.

I too think there needs to be significant change in our immigration policy, primarily based on economics, we need people coming in who are going to provide a net economic benefit, rather than a net economic loss. But that's not enough for some people...

What is so wrong with including race (no, not skin colour - Michael Jackson is still a member of the black race) as one of the criteria to determine eligibilty for immigrants?

Does it not make sense to predominantly let in the same sort of people who are already here, in order that they are more likely to integrate well with the existing population? Not racist, just common sense isn't it? Something which has been sorely lacking in our immigration policy for a very long time.

 

[deuse]

There are other parties with immigration control plans that aren't inherently racist. The fact that many of these people claim not be be racist, but will happily support a party with a racist constitution dedicated to removal of non-whites from Britain suggests otherwise, especially when they keep defending/supporting the party when the reality is laid out clearly for them.

A big part of the issue is again that the anti-immigration agenda has been hijacked by those who wish to discriminate based on race (or more accurately skin colour), this can be shown by reviewing their comments or focusing on the kind of immigration they wish to reduce. They then try to claim they aren't racist, they are anti-immigration.

I too think there needs to be significant change in our immigration policy, primarily based on economics, we need people coming in who are going to provide a net economic benefit, rather than a net economic loss. But that's not enough for some people...

I agree with you there.

Also they should pay to get in if they want to live here that much.
and be able to look after thier family as well, and not rely on the taxpayer and thr NHS.

 

[I get around]

Most BNP voters are working class people who are also unknowledgeable or uneducated. <THIS IS MY CLAIM THAT I INTENDED TO MAKE Pretty much fact or atleast incredibly hard to dispute.

4I disagree, i'd say it's a mix of uneducated working class (there is educated working class)
And also stubborn middle class people from a privelidged background.

 

[Burnsy2023]

And lets be real here, it is way to easy to get in here.

That's due to the EU. Our rules on immigrants outside of the EU have been tightened up significantly in the last year or so.

Dolph, did you get Slackworth's email btw? I'm not sure if you replied

 

[Burnsy2023]

What is so wrong with including race (no, not skin colour - Michael Jackson is still a member of the black race) as one of the criteria to determine eligibilty for immigrants?

Does it not make sense to predominantly let in the same sort of people who are already here, in order that they are more likely to integrate well with the existing population? Not racist, just common sense isn't it? Something which has been sorely lacking in our immigration policy for a very long time.

Wow. That's shocking. Shouldn't we discriminate against people who don't want to integrate into our society rather than race? You seem to think the two correlate, which may or may not be true, either way go to the root cause rather than generalise.

 

[Dolph]

What is so wrong with including race (no, not skin colour - Michael Jackson is still a member of the black race) as one of the criteria to determine eligibilty for immigrants?

Does it not make sense to predominantly let in the same sort of people who are already here, in order that they are more likely to integrate well with the existing population? Not racist, just common sense isn't it? Something which has been sorely lacking in our immigration policy for a very long time.

No, it's not common sense, it's unjustified discrimination based on an arbitary distinction with no useful basis or benefit.

And the BNP do define themselves by skin colour, not race by their own consitution. Their definition of unacceptable discrimination is 'non-white', a distinction that can only exist by skin colour, given that there are a variety of white races that are considered acceptable by the BNP.

Discrimination on the basis of race or skin colour (the two are interchangable here, especially when you haven't been able or willing to provide a definition of race that doesn't boil down to skin colour in any of the threads) is not common sense, it's bigotry.

 

[Dolph]

That's due to the EU. Our rules on immigrants outside of the EU have been tightened up significantly in the last year or so.

Dolph, did you get Slackworth's email btw? I'm not sure if you replied

I haven't, let me check. Which address was it sent to?

 

[dirtydog]

That's due to the EU. Our rules on immigrants outside of the EU have been tightened up significantly in the last year or so.

It is still ridiculously easy to get into Britain, and very easy to stay once you are in, even if you are discovered to be an illegal immigrant.

 

[dirtydog]

No, it's not common sense, it's unjustified discrimination based on an arbitary distinction with no useful basis or benefit.

And the BNP do define themselves by skin colour, not race by their own consitution. Their definition of unacceptable discrimination is 'non-white', a distinction that can only exist by skin colour, given that there are a variety of white races that are considered acceptable by the BNP.

Discrimination on the basis of race or skin colour (the two are interchangable here, especially when you haven't been able or willing to provide a definition of race that doesn't boil down to skin colour in any of the threads) is not common sense, it's bigotry.

I don't think you are a stupid person so you must be trolling by continue to insist that it is just 'skin colour', and because it better suits your 'argument'. Your race is governed by birth, hence Michael Jackson is black (black not meaning skin colour but the race of peoples from Africa) and despite his 'skin colour' now being white, he is still black. I do not believe you are too stupid to understand this.

 

[deuse]

That's due to the EU. Our rules on immigrants outside of the EU have been tightened up significantly in the last year or so.

Dolph, did you get Slackworth's email btw? I'm not sure if you replied

So a person is more inclined to vote BNP because they will kick up a fuss
more then a tory/lab/lib would.