The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

wilsky said:
Having no degree didn't seem to hold back Mr Gates, he went on to become the richest man in the world at one point. Likewise it hasn't been detrimental to Alan Sugar or Richard Branson.

All a formal education shows is your ability to remember and recall information with regards to a specific topic.

With regards to everyday life, common sense and life experience is going to help you considerably more than a PhD in Neruoscience.

A formal education is not essential. Just remember that when your paying off your student loans.
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I don't think it's fair to say that because you can list people who haven't got degrees but have succeeded that a degree isn't important. There's thousands of people who have made millions who have gone to university, but making millions isn't the only thing, there's all the doctors and scientists who save lives every day who do have degrees too. I admit i shouldn't have used the word 'essential', perhaps 'important' would have been more appropriate.
 
dirtydog said:
What a complete non-sequitur. I suppose if you struggle to get a dentist because of the numbers of immigrants using them, that's your fault too is it, for being 'bad at it' ?
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No, that would be the fault of the government offering such a shoddy contract for NHS dentists that they've left the NHS in droves to go private instead. Just like the party you support, you fail the see the real reason and blame it on the immigrants.
 
There must a a large BNP following in Luton as I've noticed billboard spouting crap. "British Jobs for British People". I wonder how many British citizens would take me up on the following ad "Cleaner wanted, British citizens only, minimum wage"

"No to immigration". Another billboard of these racist bigots. Maybe this should be amended with "No to uneducated ***** scum and your kids"

BNP should be abolished, Nazis.
 
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thepharcyde said:
There must a a large BNP following in Luton as I've noticed billboard spouting crap. "British Jobs for British People". I wonder how many British citizens would take me up on the following ad "Cleaner wanted, British citizens only, minimum wage"

"No to immigration". Another billboard of these racist bigots. Maybe this should be amended with "No to uneducated ***** scum and your kids"

BNP should be abolished, Nazis.
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No, freedom of speech means we have to listen to people we don't agree with.
 
deuse said:
Are you saying it ok for Bishop of York a none native to say what he likes because he has a UK passport.
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The fact is that the Bishop was given citizenship rights (having a passport holds no significance as a citizen is not required to do so) by the Home Office which then allows him to vote etc regardless of where he originally comes from.

What merits which caused the Home Office to grant that citizenship and if the granting is right or not is not part of the view I was expressing.

deuse said:
But its not ok for a Native UK person to say what he likes because he is BNP?

or have I got that wrong?
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I believe that anyone has the right to free speech.

If a holidaymaker comes from Spain, Nigeria, South Africa or Australia etc then they should have the right to say that in their opinion people should not vote Conservative or Labour or BNP.

A native or non-native Briton should also have these rights. These freedoms should not be segregated by race, skin colour or political views.

I do not believe that I compared any group whether defined by race, colour or political affiliations to the Bishop other than mentioning citizens and by omission conversely non-citizens.

Do you believe that a native (whatever that is) British national who moved to, for example, Malaysia and renounced their citizenship of the UK for a Malay citizenship should have voting rights in the UK because they are a native of the UK ?

RB

[WARNING: - Joke comment coming up]

Maybe Ali-G got it right, only let in all the fit birds and throw back the mingers. AAAYYY
 
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dirtydog said:
Because they are here.
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Are you saying qualification or experience has nothing to do with it ?

Are you talking about public or private sector ?

dirtydog said:
Just because worker A gets the job ahead of worker B, doesn't mean worker A is superior.
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Which is why the quota for non-caucasian workers was brought in. It was aimed at removing racism from the hiring process where better qualified non-white (race or skin colour, you choose) applicants were not given the job over less qualified white (race or skin colour, you choose) applicants.

Has it achieved the aims it was created to meet ?.

In some ways yes but in others no. If there is a more skilled white (race or skin colour, you choose) applicant than a non-white (race or skin colour, you choose) applicant the company cannot select the better applicant due to the quota.

The quota was a simplistic solution to a complex problem and should be readdressed.

RB
 
wilsky said:
Actually Dolph, I think you will find that people ARE aware of the issue regarding race and the BNP. They will get the vote of people who themselves are not actually racist but who are tired of the mass immigration, the unknown number of people, the fact you cannot kick criminals out because of human rights. None of the big three seem to offer any reasonable solution. Therefore people will turn to the BNP, despite the knowledge they don't completely agree with ALL their policies.
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Interesting view. I know the "I'm not a racist but I will vote for the BNP" has come out a couple of times in this thread. The idea that you do not agree with all their policies but still vote for them is of course very reasonable.

The point I think some people including myself would like to point out is that by voting for the BNP you are saying that you are not strongly enough against the racist policies that you will not vote for them.

Maybe the comment should be "I am not a racist but I do not feel strongly enough against racism to refuse to vote for a racist political party and so my refusal to denounce this party for these policies means that I accept them."

wilsky said:
You, and a good number of you are treating the issue as black and white. When I vote conservative I don't agree with EVERYTHING they do. They offer the best fit from the available pool. Likewise for people who vote labour or lib dem.
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Very true but you and others do not feel strongly enough that racism is wrong to refuse to vote for a racist party.

wilsky said:
And until you, and others realise that a vote for BNP does not make someone a racist the quicker you can deal with the BNP. running round labelling people racist makes you instantly lose the argument, as at that point you are just as bigoted and ignorant as the BNP themselves.
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Again, very true. Supporting a racist party does not make you a racist but it clearly highlights you as not being an anti-racist. Some people feel that sitting on the fence is not an acceptable position.

Actively voting for a racist party makes you liable for the consequences of their racist policies even if you do not agree to them.

If there are no other alternatives available with the political parties then either join the best fit and try to cause change from the inside, form a pressure group and lobby your local MP or work at forming your own party. Take action rather than complaining to your t.v. screen or on forums (i.e. to the wrong people if you want anything changed).

viva la revolucion ;)

RB
 
Dolph said:
I too think there needs to be significant change in our immigration policy, primarily based on economics, we need people coming in who are going to provide a net economic benefit, rather than a net economic loss. But that's not enough for some people...
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I also strongly agree with this. Immigration on a workforce requirement basis.

I got my permanent residency in Singapore based on my experience and not because my wife is Singaporean (by my choice).

Residency for anything other than skilled professional status carries mandatory national service (one of Police / Ambulance / Army / Navy / Air force but usually army for foreigners).

Now there’s a thought ............. nah, not sure as I wouldn't want our Armies good name, IMHO, damaged.

RB
 
It'll be nice when the elections are over, the BNP get their customary pitiful levels of support and their supporters go back to just nodding knowingly that the 'silent majority' feel the same as they do, even though they all decided to vote for someone else.
 
dirtydog said:
You are wrong. You choose to deliberately misinterpret their policy because you choose to believe that 'white' means 'skin colour' when it in fact means the white race.

You can keep saying the opposite, and I have no doubt that you will, in this thread and others, but you are wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
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Cool so we have a copy of your definition of a white race. Thanks for clearing that up as I know a lot of people here were trying to get to this point.

To quote a bit more from the link to your definition supplied by you;

.....white functions as a color terminology for race, often referring narrowly to people claiming ancestry exclusively from Europe
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and

Modern and official use
In the UK, the Office for National Statistics uses the term white as an ethnic category. The terms White British, White Irish and White Other are used. White British includes English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish peoples. The category White Irish refers to white people from the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. White Other includes all white people not from the British Isles. Socially, in the UK white usually refers only to people of native British, Irish and European origin. In 2001 92.2% of the British population identified themselves as white, and 2006 estimates for England only, state the English population as 88.7% white.
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It would also seem the BNP with its requirement for racial purity (note I did not say superiority) also advocate the 'one drop rule' although it seems not to be limited to Africans.

The one drop rule — that a person with any amount of known of African ancestry (however small or invisible) is not white
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It would also be interesting to know if the BNP also include White Latin American, White Hispanic and Latino and White Africans in it's definition of white as a race.

Is the BNP then fine with Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Hungarian, American etc (being of the white race) immigrates coming to the UK and finding work here "taking jobs away from British people" ?.

Thanks for making an effort in trying to clear up the 'White race' confusion in what is a fairly hostile environment.

Whilst I may not agree with your views I certainly am interested in them (or more accurately the reasoning behind them).
 
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I think DD has been asked before where Southern Europeans/Mediterranean/Hispanics fall in terms of races, to which he replied the delightfully conclusive "I don't know".
 
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Where's dirtydog gone to defend himself? Or has a white flag been thrown up? Or at the very least, an admittal that it's all down to him being racist.

Out of interest DD - are you from Birkenhead?
 
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