IRA vs Taliban

[dave22]

Neither, they both lose in the long term.

I can't believe some of the comments like "respectible" being put in the same thread as terrorists.

Seems to me that too many here don't remember the troubles & don't know of anybody who as got injured / killed because of them.

Sorry, maybe a poor choice of words. The IRA actually had a right to fight for their cause, and I think most would at least understand why they were doing it, just their methods were obviously very wrong. The Taliban quite literally just hate anyone other than themselves and want to force this opinion on the world.

 

[scorza]

Taliban hands down. IRA op sec was so poor that British intelligence knew pretty much the entire organisation. Isn't even Gerry Adams supposed to have been a British informer?

 

[malef!c]

As Harry Hill would say.....only one way to find out, FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

To be honest, I think it could be a fairly level game.
Up close the IRA could probably do more damage, but against cars etc the Taliban would kick arse. I guess the downside would be the IRA would have to try to get close to win!

Either way it would be a messy state of affairs but if they scrapped it would help everyone out I guess, one would wipe out the other and give the forces just one enemy to look at

 

[chumpit]

Taliban hands down. IRA op sec was so poor that British intelligence knew pretty much the entire organisation. Isn't even Gerry Adams supposed to have been a British informer?

That was because they sold to their volunteers that they were fighting for freedom, and when they started butchering innocent people the less extreme members started to question it.
the most famous informer changed after his asu bombed a police station and killed a pregnated women, and the members started boasting about it.

If the ira tried to start up to day they would be arrested faster than they could flick the switch the british intelligance community has increase din size ans capablity.
Also theve lost their biggest supporter the american goverment, with noraid.

 

[dirtydog]

IRA were a respectable force and were fighting for something real. They even gave warnings about their attacks.

You muppet. Warnings about their attacks? They gave brief and wholly inadequate warnings, knowing full well it would result in innocent death and injury. The 'warnings' were purely propaganda, so they could claim they never meant to hurt anyone and that any injuries or deaths were the fault of the victims for not responding quick enough Shame on you for buying into IRA propaganda.

 

[WalesOwl]

If a solider has no fear of death you can never win.

So? A bullet hitting a soldier with fear or no fear doesn't make a difference. Anywho japs proved that that wasn't the case.

 

[dirtydog]

Anywho japs proved that that wasn't the case.

Well yeah, massive superiority of numbers AND nuclear weapons tends to have that effect

 

[Rroff]

yes Pyrrhic lol...

epic word switch tho so I'll leave it.

 

[WalesOwl]

massive superiority of numbers AND nuclear weapons tends to have that effect

Nukes weren't used in the tactical theatre of war
Anywho massive superiority of numbers don't mean anything. Ask the austrians who fought against napoleon.

 

[Rosbif]

Hmm its a hard one. I think it'd be a pretty tight contest because the Americans would be financing both sides.

 

[Stolly]

You must be a teenager....
The ira used children to check wether caches of weapons were under suvailance,.
And respectable, since when have nurses or people at a remberance perade been a legitmate target!
If the securtiy force weren't following the dreaded yellow card the ira would have been wiped out of existance.
Also little known fact, the ira leader during ww2 died on a nazi u-boat, they were willing to sell out the irish to the germans...

Please get some prospective on the ira, what they want is people whi have lived in that country for nearly 600 years to pack up and leave.
The "i ran away" are nothing more than criminal thugs that hide behind the "freedom fighter" title, no-one except idiots wants them back, hence the display of anger at the recent out bursts of retardations.

Also the "respectable" trick of kidnapping the families of men who worked in police stations, promising to shoot their children if the men didn't drive a bomb to work the next morning.

Respectable, my ass.

 

[GreatAuk]

Hmm its a hard one. I think it'd be a pretty tight contest because the Americans would be financing both sides.

lol... but probably true

 

[TJM]

As dumb as the scenario is, the answer has to be the Taliban. IRA members don't have much combat experience, so unless they can trick the Taliban into gathering around a truck bomb then they won't do much damage.

The ira used children to check wether caches of weapons were under suvailance,.

Is this a reference to the killing of John Boyle? Boyle and his father found the weapons and phoned it in to the cops. The son returned several days later to see if the weapons were still there and the SAS killed him without provocation. Even Ian Paisley said the Army should have admitted it made a mistake, but instead it began a smear campaign against Boyle. The IRA did not send a child to check on a weapons cache; the Army killed the boy who had found it and reported it.

Also theve lost their biggest supporter the american goverment, with noraid.

The American government had nothing to do with Noraid.

Other than Bloody Sunday, what 'many atrocities' are you referring to?

The security forces were up to their necks in collusion with Loyalists, who killed more civilians than the Republicans, and engaged in shooting to kill (before some smart arse says 'lol, u meant to shoot to wound??', the phrase in the NI context means opening fire without warning).

And that's not mentioning the Government's complete mishandling of the situation from the 70s to the early 90s.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

IRA were a respectable force and were fighting for something real. They even gave warnings about their attacks.

Taliban brainwash some kids and tell them to blow themselves up. And then hide in some caves.

Even by GD standards, that's an enormously stupid thing to say. You, sir, are an idiot

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Taliban hands down.

Without Army and RUC protection the IRA wouldn't have made it out of the 1970s, the NI locals would have put an end to them. Lets not forget Taliban fought and hid in caves, the IRA never did much fighting and did a lot of hiding in and out of court.

 

[chumpit]

The American government had nothing to do with Noraid.

Firstly, The american goverment new it was used to supply weapons to terrroists. But refused to close it down because of the irish vote.

The security forces were up to their necks in collusion with Loyalists, who killed more civilians than the Republicans, and engaged in shooting to kill (before some smart arse says 'lol, u meant to shoot to wound??', the phrase in the NI context means opening fire without warning).

The ira brought the shoot to kill policy on them selfs by using remote detonators, What about the omagh warning? telling the police the bomb is at one end of the street whilst planting it at the oter end?

And that's not mentioning the Government's complete mishandling of the situation from the 70s to the early 90s.

Yep cant agree more, they should have allowed the secruity forces to get on with it. If they had the ira would have been shut down earlier.
Also realsing the scum early in the good friday agrement

 

[TJM]

Yep cant agree more, they should have allowed the secruity forces to get on with it. If they had the ira would have been shut down earlier.

Bloody Sunday shows what you get when the security forces are allowed to 'get on with it' - a lot of innocent people shot dead and an enraged population that feeds into a terrorist movement for the next 20 years. Even incidents that only involved IRA deaths, such as Gibraltar, did nothing to help end the conflict. The English tabloids might not have minded the Army killing Irish Catholics with complete impunity, but in nationalist communities (i.e. where it actually mattered), it completely undermined the Government's claim that it stood for justice, law and order. Few sane people want to be ruled by a Government that feels it has the right to kill suspects and political dissidents in cold blood.

A major problem in NI was always that the security forces were too heavy handed or just stupid. The past 30 years would have been very different if the RUC hadn't spent the 60s beating up civil rights protesters or the Army hadn't completely alienated Catholics by enforcing internment (which directly led to Bloody Sunday). A more aggressive approach by the security forces would have destroyed Northern Ireland, as the peaceful majority of Catholics would have suffered a lot of 'collateral damage' at the hands of the security forces and many would have sided with the IRA.

 

[Rotty]

anyone got a link to the comedian doing the "why irish terrorists are better than muslim ones" sketch ?

 

[jlss]

Hmm its a hard one. I think it'd be a pretty tight contest because the Americans would be financing both sides.

Haha they have been for years

 

[Begbie]

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