Serious design flaw on certain 4870/4890's

FrenchTart · 31 May 2009 at 17:40

Cyber-Mav said:
it is very careless, although ati now said that they will redesign the reference board to fix the issue what will they do about the current cards out there?

i know how i would feel if i had a 4870 and knew that i would be unable to ever be able to use it at 100% power because the cards power circuitry would hold it back.

I have a 4870 and I don't care as there's no evidence that the cards will ever be held back.

If that changes then yeah, I'll join in with the "give me a refund" shouting.

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 17:42

MikeHunt79 said:
Seems a little careless of ATI to make a card with an insufficient power supply, I guess this could also be bad news for people who use thier cards to fold?

Folding was on the ATI gfx card a long time before it was on NV cards & i have yet to see an issue.

MikeHunt79 · 31 May 2009 at 17:45

Cyber-Mav said:
it is very careless, although ati now said that they will redesign the reference board to fix the issue what will they do about the current cards out there?

i know how i would feel if i had a 4870 and knew that i would be unable to ever be able to use it at 100% power because the cards power circuitry would hold it back.

I guess if I had a 4870 that I knew had a bad PSU then I'd RMA it but I guess a lot of people may not bother if they don't know about it.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 17:46

layte said:
Out of interest, what is your take on Nvidia's problems with GPU's failing due to substandard manufacturing? I have a Macbook Pro which has had it's system board replaced twice now as the GPU has failed after being put under a slight load. I dread 10.6 and it's integrated OpenCL acceleration. By your exacting standards Nvidia GPU's would also be unsuitable for professional use.

Until a real world application causes the same issues as an artificial utility explicitly designed to generate maximum heat and power draw appears, I think we can rest easy that swathes of graphics cards are not going to be failing or causing machines to crash.

I wonder if STREAM applications will load the GPU in a similar fashion, as of yet nothing has been mentioned.

yep im not happy with nvidia either with the problem that they had. BUT nvidia done a recall on everything , it cost them a lot of money, their share price took a massive fall back then, i think they lost 100 million dollar or something. and right fully so, now the worst thing about this is my cousin has a dell gaming laptop that has 8800gtx sli onboard and the scary thing is that it cost 2950 quid at the time and im 100% sure that its in the category of fail. its gonna bork sooner rather than later and i warned him about it, shame he made the purchase before the nvidia fiasco come to light.

dont think im just one sided on this mate, i still dont recommend any nvidia based laptop to people who ask me for laptops. as for my nvidia based cards, the 8600gt and 8800gt i have iv slapped on aftermarket cooling on them so that they dont even go above 60c running furmark or occt. so those cards should last.

as for ati's recent bodge up, if it was my gtx260 that suffered from this sort of problem i would have flipped and would not be happy short of a full refund or a replacement card that is unaffected by these power issues.

i tend to keep my cards for a very long time and then pass them on to family members. so a card thats gonna bork like this is not acceptable regardless of who made it.

if nvidia screwd me over id show them the way its ment to be played.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 17:47

Final8y said:
Folding was on the ATI gfx card a long time before it was on NV cards & i have yet to see an issue.

your sig shows you have 3870 not the 48 series cards. not sure if you realise this but the discussion taking place over at xs forums is about the 48 series cards pal. you need to get in the game.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 17:50

Final8y said:
The point still stands as just like the majority do not drive a Ferrari, the majority will not use the gfx card as a primary for running OCCT.

and the point still stands that regardless what your use is for it the fault still stands. thats what your not acknowledging, your trying to brush it aside :confused:

even amd has aknowledged it as a fault and said they will fix it for future cards. i cant understand why your saying its not an issue. you must really like ati.

FrenchTart · 31 May 2009 at 17:52

Cyber-Mav said:
your sig shows you have 3870 not the 48 series cards. not sure if you realise this but the discussion taking place over at xs forums is about the 48 series cards pal. you need to get in the game.

He clearly knows what card we're talking about.

I'm sure he can read the thread title.

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 17:53

Cyber-Mav said:
yep im not happy with nvidia either with the problem that they had. BUT nvidia done a recall on everything , it cost them a lot of money, their share price took a massive fall back then, i think they lost 100 million dollar or something. and right fully so, now the worst thing about this is my cousin has a dell gaming laptop that has 8800gtx sli onboard and the scary thing is that it cost 2950 quid at the time and im 100% sure that its in the category of fail. its gonna bork sooner rather than later and i warned him about it, shame he made the purchase before the nvidia fiasco come to light.

dont think im just one sided on this mate, i still dont recommend any nvidia based laptop to people who ask me for laptops. as for my nvidia based cards, the 8600gt and 8800gt i have iv slapped on aftermarket cooling on them so that they dont even go above 60c running furmark or occt. so those cards should last.

When OCCT has a test that can utiles ha much of the
as for ati's recent bodge up, if it was my gtx260 that suffered from this sort of problem i would have flipped and would not be happy short of a full refund or a replacement card that is unaffected by these power issues.

i tend to keep my cards for a very long time and then pass them on to family members. so a card thats gonna bork like this is not acceptable regardless of who made it.

When OCCT has a test that can utilise as much of the NV GPU as what it does withthe ATI GPU then we will see if the new PCBs from NV with the cheaper Power section on the 260 is up to the job.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 17:54

Aekeron said:
He clearly knows what card we're talking about.

I'm sure he can read the thread title.

im not so sure on that since he keep saying he ran occt on his cards and had no issues. well duh his card is a 38 series. :rolleyes:

Happy · 31 May 2009 at 17:55

Cyber-Mav said:
and the point still stands that regardless what your use is for it the fault still stands. thats what your not acknowledging, your trying to brush it aside

even amd has aknowledged it as a fault and said they will fix it for future cards. i cant understand why your saying its not an issue. you must really like ati.

Seriously you're doing yourself no favours here, by rambling on about the same thing with your individual slant on it. Everyone here is aware of the issue.

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 17:55

Cyber-Mav said:
your sig shows you have 3870 not the 48 series cards. not sure if you realise this but the discussion taking place over at xs forums is about the 48 series cards pal. you need to get in the game.

Thanks for pointing that out, I thought i was using 48XX cards :rolleyes:

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 17:57

Final8y said:
When OCCT has a test that can utilise as much of the NV GPU as what it does withthe ATI GPU then we will see if the new PCBs from NV with the cheaper Power section on the 260 is up to the job.

well that would be great thing to see. id love to find out if my card is potentially borked one or not. id be happy to send it back and get a brand new one with re-designed power regulation etc.

but whats to say occt isnt already loading up gtx cards to the max right now? highest temps iv seen in any game or test etc is by the occt so is deffo getting the hottest out of my card. and the wall plug meter also shows occt to be sucking up more power than any other gpu app is.

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 17:57

Cyber-Mav said:
im not so sure on that since he keep saying he ran occt on his cards and had no issues. well duh his card is a 38 series.

That was in context to Roff's cheap ATI comment.
Try to follow the flow.

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 17:58

Cyber-Mav said:
well that would be great thing to see. id love to find out if my card is potentially borked one or not. id be happy to send it back and get a brand new one with re-designed power regulation etc.

but whats to say occt isnt already loading up gtx cards to the max right now?

Go read that link that you keep going on about & you will see that others are saying the same thing.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 18:00

Final8y said:
Thanks for pointing that out, I thought i was using 48XX cards

i cant understand this, you said you read the who article on xs forums and you didnt realise it was about the 48 series cards? so you have been posting on here defending ati to your last breath and you didnt even know what series card was being discussed? simply daft if you ask me. :rolleyes:

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 18:02

Cyber-Mav said:
and the point still stands that regardless what your use is for it the fault still stands. thats what your not acknowledging, your trying to brush it aside

even amd has aknowledged it as a fault and said they will fix it for future cards. i cant understand why your saying its not an issue. you must really like ati.

I know AMDs stance, as i said your late to the party.

In did not say its not an issue i said it not an issue that most would or should worry about.

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 18:03

Cyber-Mav said:
i cant understand this, you said you read the who article on xs forums and you didnt realise it was about the 48 series cards? so you have been posting on here defending ati to your last breath and you didnt even know what series card was being discussed? simply daft if you ask me.

The Sarcasm in my post should not have to be pointed out in this instance.

You know what Sarcasm is right!.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 18:03

Final8y said:
Go read that link that you keep going on about & you will see that others are saying the same thing.

no those others are crying over the 48 series cards getting higher fps in this bench than nvidia cards. i doubt its anything to do with nvidia cards not being fully utilised in this test, far from it. its more to with nvidia cards being slower in this bench because ati cards have the superior gigafloppage in performance.

the figures quoted are 1.2 tflop on ati vs 933gflop or so on the nvidia.

card with more floppage in this test gets more fps from the looks of it.

Cyber-Mav · 31 May 2009 at 18:07

Final8y said:
In did not say its not an issue i said it not an issue that most would or should worry about.

regardless if it effects 100 people out of a million or 100k out of a million its still has an effect and its still an issue regardless of the number of people effected.

sure most wont be worried about it. but then again there arent many enthusiasts out there compared to the general user. either way its a problem that has been known about from the beginning question still remains, whats going to be done about the existing cards out there that can never reach thier full potential due to shoddy power supply on the cards?

Final8y · 31 May 2009 at 18:09

Cyber-Mav said:
no those others are crying over the 48 series cards getting higher fps in this bench than nvidia cards. i doubt its anything to do with nvidia cards not being fully utilised in this test, far from it. its more to with nvidia cards being slower in this bench because ati cards have the superior gigafloppage in performance.

the figures quoted are 1.2 tflop on ati vs 933gflop or so on the nvidia.

card with more floppage in this test gets more fps from the looks of it.

My comments from what others have said in the thread that there is no proof that the NV card is being fully utilised besides the obvious of ATI having more shaders & getting higher fps because of that.