diesel vs petrol power
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Its a lot less than 2k,, I'm not sure where he got that figure from
Custom Remap - £100 if you shop around
Intercooler bits - £250-£300
New clutch - £300-£400
Tada!
Yup! , it all comes down to personal preference.
because your dad is driving ...
I believe fox has use of his dad's car being the family fleet manager and all so you can rule the driver out of the equation.
What is it with some diesel owners that makes them feel they need to justify their engines merrits to some petrol owners who don't see the value in them. Kind of ironic from both sides really. Both engines have their merrits but even your best diesel engine does not offer the sporting drive of your best petrol engine to any true petrol head and anyone who believes that isn't the case is misguided. The choice of which you prefer is subjective of course and a modern diesel engine is very very good for A to B driving, which most people do but as a sporting unit it simply lacks in noise, revs and response and no matter how much those with diesel may wish to argue those of use who have driven both and can be objective know that truth.
Pug petrol engines were never great, their diesels lead the world in the 80's but I'd still take a 1.6/1.9 in my 205 GTi over a diesel, even if it was more powerful with a chip (chips needs lard or course) in it. If I were buying a 5 series I wouldn't look outside a 535d, its a fantastic engine in a fantastic car and as a daily plodder I think it is about perfect. Of course the irony is as manufacturers race to add more power so people who equate power with sporting will jump on board they loose the fuel consumption advantages in the main making them perhaps less appealing. If you want to run up and down main roads and motorways for a living a diesel is a solid choice, if you want to go hooning or tracking it simply isn't, and a hot hatch with a diesel that betters its petrol counterpart in any objective view, assuming the petrol isnt a dog, is yet to be seen.
I own both a diesel and a petrol car.
Pug petrol engines were never great, their diesels lead the world in the 80's but I'd still take a 1.6/1.9 in my 205 GTi over a diesel, even if it was more powerful with a chip (chips needs lard or course) in it. If I were buying a 5 series I wouldn't look outside a 535d, its a fantastic engine in a fantastic car and as a daily plodder I think it is about perfect. Of course the irony is as manufacturers race to add more power so people who equate power with sporting will jump on board they loose the fuel consumption advantages in the main making them perhaps less appealing. If you want to run up and down main roads and motorways for a living a diesel is a solid choice, if you want to go hooning or tracking it simply isn't, and a hot hatch with a diesel that betters its petrol counterpart in any objective view, assuming the petrol isnt a dog, is yet to be seen.
I own both a diesel and a petrol car.
nah, 155 bhp on a 110 bhp hdi cost me £140
if i want 180/190bhp its:
turbo - many options such as hybrid or one from a 2.5 bmw lump will fit, could diy this £200-600 depending
and larger injectors- a few options on this £100-600 depending again
add fuel pump from a bmw 330d and then i'm over 200 bhp- from a breakers, who knows £200 ?
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I have to say I am firmly in the petrol camp. There is nothing like changing up at 6 and a half, 7 thousand revs.
But my dad has a E320 CDI and it goes like stink. 0-60 in 6.7 seconds and will cruise up to a limited 155. When he first got the car i took the mick for a bit because it's a diesel but when I first got into it and he flawed it I was in shock and awe. And it is funny when boy races pull up along side him and he just burns them away in a diesel.
Not converted, but it made me think twice about underestimating a diesel car.
But my dad has a E320 CDI and it goes like stink. 0-60 in 6.7 seconds and will cruise up to a limited 155. When he first got the car i took the mick for a bit because it's a diesel but when I first got into it and he flawed it I was in shock and awe. And it is funny when boy races pull up along side him and he just burns them away in a diesel.
Not converted, but it made me think twice about underestimating a diesel car.
all that for £2k , no chance, unless you went for some crap diy managment and second hand TB's and cams
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because your dad is driving ...
Well I meant when I drive it.
i own a diesel because i live outside of the UK where diesel is significantly cheaper than petrol.
as much as i enjoy the power delivery of the engine, the übertorxxx at 2000rpm and the decent fuel consumption, my next car will most definitely be a petrol.
oh, and Fox, your car is faster because it has 40bhp more
as much as i enjoy the power delivery of the engine, the übertorxxx at 2000rpm and the decent fuel consumption, my next car will most definitely be a petrol.
oh, and Fox, your car is faster because it has 40bhp more
It's still a 206 and the money spent could actually bridge the gap up to the 206gti which will give you the same performance. Do you declare all these mods to your insurance company?
This is a very valid point for me to avoid diesels, I don't want to hear the engine at all when I'm slowly cruising or idling, while I want to hear screaming when I floor it.
The diesel in my 323 mazda learner car is a noisy little ****, it always makes the same annoying noise and also causes part of the trim/interior to resonate with it.
In my book a more silent car is a more comfy car.
The cheaper option doesn't make sense here, diesel owners have to pay A LOT more tax than petrol and a bit more tax than lpg g3 owners. If you drive a lot, lpg is a viable option, if you don't petrol is. Diesel has a very small ''sweet spot'' due to the tax over here. Diesel fuel is cheaper than petrol though.
For example, tax here for a car in my province with a weight class of 1351-1450 kg costs:
€ 189,00 per 3 months for petrol
€ 264,00 per 3 months for LPG-G3
€ 344,00 per 3 months for Diesel
€ 362,00 per 3 months for older LPG systems, and any other fuel excluding elec and hydrogen.
With the current fuel prices:
Petrol euro 95: 1.37€ per liter
Diesel: 97 cents per liter
LPG: 41 cents per liter
Diesel makes no sense imo.
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I have had this debate over and over with a friend who has a front mount intercooled 306 HDi.
He drove a 306 GTi and then realised I was right all along. Not a chance of beating one.
They can indeed catch a 306 GTi out if it is in the wrong gear but with two decent drivers in each car no such luck for the derv.
The VAG diesels are the ones to watch. 1.9 PD 130's and 150's can be tuned to decent performance levels. 170 odd bhp for the 130 and around 200bhp for the 150.
Reading over on cliosport.net many of the renault sport clio owners say don't be shocked if it's not so conclusive when having a go with the VAG diesels, they don't hang around.
A work colleague has a remapped Fabia vRS running at 180bhp and that doesn't hang around either. I believe him when he says in a straight line it can see off a 106 GTi no problem.
In the corners it's a different story mind.
He drove a 306 GTi and then realised I was right all along. Not a chance of beating one.
They can indeed catch a 306 GTi out if it is in the wrong gear but with two decent drivers in each car no such luck for the derv.
The VAG diesels are the ones to watch. 1.9 PD 130's and 150's can be tuned to decent performance levels. 170 odd bhp for the 130 and around 200bhp for the 150.
Reading over on cliosport.net many of the renault sport clio owners say don't be shocked if it's not so conclusive when having a go with the VAG diesels, they don't hang around.
A work colleague has a remapped Fabia vRS running at 180bhp and that doesn't hang around either. I believe him when he says in a straight line it can see off a 106 GTi no problem.
In the corners it's a different story mind.
It's not really because it's subjective.
Your definition of noisy might not fit someone else's for example.
And also there are quiet diesels, and noisy diesels. Just like there are noisy petrols, and quiet petrols.
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torx don't mean **** when the power outputs are nowhere near the same
imo it's only comparable if both cars have the same bhp output.
(ie) a VAG 1.8T 150 vs a 1.9 PD TDI 150
i'd take a golf iv gt tdi over the gti..
pretty much identical specs (8.2s 0-60 and 134 mph top speed), but the diesel is better, due to grunt and consumption
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I'm speaking hypothetically
Well that means you are not, by the time you declare these mods you might as well buy the quick version of the car rather than mess about. All you're given is what you think and hypothetically and told me to read the facts but you haven't presented any hard fact.
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Problems with diesels is getting the power down.
0-60's are not really their strong points in all honesty.
Rolling at 20-30mph and booting it is more their forte.
0-60's are not really their strong points in all honesty.
Rolling at 20-30mph and booting it is more their forte.
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Perhaps but either way the petrol is faster to 60 has a higher top speed and is lighter thus will probably be quicker around a track.