The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[FnG]magnolia · 5 Jun 2009 at 16:56

I'm certainly not defending Glasgow because it has its fair share of bigots but the OP is, fortunately, not a representative sample of Scottish folk. I abhor the BNP and all they pretend to stand for as much as any other sane, rational person does.

LabR@t · 5 Jun 2009 at 16:57

growse said:
Self delusion is not an attractive quality.

Also, your arrogance for thinking that you represent what the 'people of this country' represent is repulsive. We have a way of finding out what the people think. They're called elections. And going by this one, most people don't want the BNP.

Seeing how the BNP are portrayed in the press as a barely legal party its hardly surprising most people don't vote for them, but I feel that more and more people will start see that you can't believe all you read in the press and the BNP are a proper democratic party.

UK|AL · 5 Jun 2009 at 16:58

LabR@t said:
Seeing how the BNP are portrayed in the press as a barely legal party its hardly surprising most people don't vote for them, but I feel that more and more people will start see that you can't believe all you read in the press and the BNP are a proper democratic party.

There's a video on youtube with BNP member saying he hates democracy. Also democracy is not always the correct solution for things like civil rights. If you voted to kill all of a minority race, would you do it? Tyranny

It's one the reasons america was founded as a republic.

They term is Tyranny of the majority.

RDM · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:00

LabR@t said:
Seeing how the BNP are portrayed in the press as a barely legal party its hardly surprising most people don't vote for them, but I feel that more and more people will start see that you can't believe all you read in the press and the BNP are a proper democratic party.

Well apart from the fact that they are open only to whites. That really doesn't sound like a "proper democratic party" to me.

dekez · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:01

Mr Jack said:
BNP win council seat link from the BBC - who'd have thought

I wonder if those voters have any idea what they are doing.

[FnG]magnolia · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:02

LabR@t said:
Seeing how the BNP are portrayed in the press as a barely legal party its hardly surprising most people don't vote for them, but I feel that more and more people will start see that you can't believe all you read in the press and the BNP are a proper democratic party.

Question : if the BNP are "portrayed in the press as a barely legal party", why do they not instigate legal proceedings if they disagree with this 'slander' by the Press? This surely needs sorting out, no?

Idiot.

andi · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:08

They're a proper democratic party that just happens to hate anyone but white people

UK|AL · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:10

andi said:
They're a proper democratic party that just happens to hate anyone but white people

That is perfectly ok democratic view. If you vote the hate non whites, then that's democratic.

It's called the Tyranny of the majority, and as i've already pointed out it's why america is founded as republic and has a constitution.

Democracy is not always the correct solution for things like civil rights, which the constitution protects.

We had the magna carta but i believe it's something different now?

semi-pro waster · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:11

LabR@t said:
LOL, just like the mainstream media You think that by ignoring the BNP it will quietly go away?

The people of this country have had enough and are finally waking up and speaking up.

You're surely not claiming that the BNP represents the "silent majority" of Britain? The phrase is synonymous with "we know that most people don't support this viewpoint but since the majority of the populace aren't particularly vocal with their opinions we'll claim them".

Incidentally I'd be quite happy if the BNP did quietly go away but I can't imagine I'll be that lucky.

Dj_Jestar · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:19

50 million people died fighting fascism. Fifty. Million.

That's all I need to remind me never to vote for fascists like the BNP.

Tombstone · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:23

Dj_Jestar said:
50 million people died fighting fascism. Fifty. Million.

That's all I need to remind me never to vote for fascists like the BNP.

Just for the sake of playing devils advocate, I should point out that an awful lot of that 50 million didnt actually die fighting fascism. Most died as a result of the fight against fascism, theres a difference between "the fight against fascism" and "fighting fascism"

LabR@t · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:24

Dj_Jestar said:
50 million people died fighting fascism. Fifty. Million.

That's all I need to remind me never to vote for fascists like the BNP.

yet you welcome liberal fascism with with open arms?

Dj_Jestar · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:25

Tombstone said:
Just for the sake of playing devils advocate, I should point out that an awful lot of that 50 million didnt actually die fighting fascism. Most died as a result of the fight against fascism, theres a difference between "the fight against fascism" and "fighting fascism"

There's no difference.

Dj_Jestar · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:25

LabR@t said:
yet you welcome liberal fascism with with open arms?

liberal fascism? such as?

oh, and quote me where I said it.

UK|AL · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:25

Tombstone said:
Just for the sake of playing devils advocate, I should point out that an awful lot of that 50 million didnt actually die fighting fascism. Most died as a result of the fight against fascism, theres a difference between "the fight against fascism" and "fighting fascism"

A lot of jews died, and gays without fighting. Six million died.

Tombstone · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:26

Dj_Jestar said:
There's no difference.

Actually technically there is.

If I am a soldier fighting against the IRA and I get engaged in a gunfight and am shot dead, then I have died fighting against terrorism.

If I am walking down the street and a bomb goes off and I am caught in the blast and die, then I have not personally died fighting against terrorism , I have died as a result of *the* fight against terrorism.

Semantics it may be, but it is a fundamental difference.

UK|AL · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:26

I want him to expand on the idea of liberal fascism. The term is contradicts it's self, when you use the true meaning of liberal.

Liberal got a lot bad press, because of links to communism but most communism implementations actually suppressed other view points which is not liberal. I.e China and the tank guy. Communism like that is actually fascist.

Liberal - Tolerant, Open Minded.
Fascist - Close minded.

Dj_Jestar · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:28

UK|AL said:
I want him to expand on the idea of liberal fascism. The term is contradicts it's self, when you use the true meaning of liberal.

Ditto.

Dj_Jestar · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:32

Tombstone said:
Actually technically there is.

If I am a soldier fighting against the IRA and I get engaged in a gunfight and am shot dead, then I have died fighting against terrorism.

If I am walking down the street and a bomb goes off and I am caught in the blast and die, then I have not personally died fighting against terrorism , I have died as a result of *the* fight against terrorism.

Semantics it may be, but it is a fundamental difference.

Ah, ok.. understand now. Thought you were disputing the literal difference between "the fight against fascism" and "fighting fascism"

semi-pro waster · 5 Jun 2009 at 17:33

Tombstone said:
Actually technically there is.

If I am a soldier fighting against the IRA and I get engaged in a gunfight and am shot dead, then I have died fighting against terrorism.

If I am walking down the street and a bomb goes off and I am caught in the blast and die, then I have not personally died fighting against terrorism , I have died as a result of *the* fight against terrorism.

Semantics it may be, but it is a fundamental difference.

If we're really getting into semantics then in your example of walking down the street you've died as a result of terrorism, not fighting against it nor because of the fight against terrorism - presuming of course that is that the terrorists would not simply have taken their toys home if they were ignored completely and had nothing to fight against.

If you're an innocent citizen who happens to be in the vicinity of an anti-terrorist operation and are mistaken for a terrorist then killed you have died as a result of the fight against terror.

However this is largely a pointless distinction.