Tube Strike -- 9th-11th

[D D Danneh]

Some people might like to get a train to work
Or drive in in a Beamer or a merc,
Some guys like to travel in by bus,
But I can't be bothered with the fuss today
I'm going to take my bike,
Coz once again the Tube's on strike.
The greedy ******** want extra pay
for sitting on their arse all day
even though they earn 30K .
So I'm standing here in the pouring rain,
Where the ****'s my ****ing train?

London Underground
London Underground
They're all lazy ****ing useless ****s
London Underground
London Underground
They're all greedy ****s I want to shoot them all with a rifle.

All they say is "Please mind the doors",
and they learned that on the two day course,
This job could be done by a four year old.
They just leave us freezing in the cold.
What you smell is what you get
Burger King and **** and sweat
You roast to death in the boiling heat,
With tourists treading on your feet
and chewing gum on every seat,
so don't tell me to "Mind the gap"
I want my ****ing money back.

London Underground
London Underground
They're all lazy ****ing useless ****s
London Underground
London Underground
They're all greedy ****s I want to shoot them all with a rifle
LaLaLaLa
LaLaLaLa

The floors are sticky and the seats are damp,
Every platform has a ****ing tramp,
But the drivers get the day off when we're all late for work again,

London Underground
London Underground
WaWa ****ers , They're all ****ers ,
London Underground
London Underground

Take your Oystercard, and shove it up your ********.

 

[leaskovski]

lol, yes, i remember that one.

 

[rypt]

Please don't twist my post. People who cross official picket lines are thinking of themselves and themselves alone. They weaken the strength that those who are making the sacrifice have and when all's said and done reap the benefits of anything that is achieved by the industrial action as well as getting paid for crossing the picket line too.

That kind of selfish behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. And it certainly shouldn't be promoted as a good thing to impressionable young minds on internet forums.

What sacrifice have the train drivers made? 40k to just use an accelerator pedal / lever sounds like an easy job

 

[Alex_L]

how fantastic of the unions to once again disrupt my commute for no discernible reason. Between strikes and TFLs inability to run a fully functioning underground service at weekends it makes me wonder where the 100 quid a month my travelcard costs goes.

I'd personally support sacking the lot of them and reemploying them with contracts specifically banning union membership.

 

[RDM]

Please don't twist my post. People who cross official picket lines are thinking of themselves and themselves alone. They weaken the strength that those who are making the sacrifice have and when all's said and done reap the benefits of anything that is achieved by the industrial action as well as getting paid for crossing the picket line too.

That kind of selfish behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. And it certainly shouldn't be promoted as a good thing to impressionable young minds on internet forums.

So if you are a tube driver that doesn't agree with the strike, think that you already get paid enough and think it is completely unjustified you should still go on strike just because of "solidarity"?

 

[Dolph]

Sack the strikers, try and reemploy people on the wanted terms. If the jobs fill, the strikers were being unreasonable.

 

[Dolph]

Please don't twist my post. People who cross official picket lines are thinking of themselves and themselves alone. They weaken the strength that those who are making the sacrifice have and when all's said and done reap the benefits of anything that is achieved by the industrial action as well as getting paid for crossing the picket line too.

That kind of selfish behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. And it certainly shouldn't be promoted as a good thing to impressionable young minds on internet forums.

Spoken like a true union facist.

It could be that they actually disagree with you...

 

[dymetrie]

Please don't twist my post. People who cross official picket lines are thinking of themselves and themselves alone. They weaken the strength that those who are making the sacrifice have and when all's said and done reap the benefits of anything that is achieved by the industrial action as well as getting paid for crossing the picket line too.

That kind of selfish behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. And it certainly shouldn't be promoted as a good thing to impressionable young minds on internet forums.

How about union members who work with vulnerable people? Should they maintain solidarity with other members of their union, and strike, or should they do the morally right thing and cross the picket lines?

Anyway, this thread is about the tube strikes and the tube union.

The article states that only 28% of members voted for the strike. 4.8% voted against the strike and the remainder didn't vote.

How is it justifiable for the entire service to go on strike when the vast majority were ambivalent to the cause?

There's no solidarity and sacrifice here, just lethargy.

Personally I am not overly bothered about the tube shutting down for two days, I'll just work from home and be amused by watching reports on the news

 

[Vanilla]

This must cost businesses millions in lost productivity and general loss.

I know that when a tube strike is one I cancel meetings and work from home.

Bunch of ***** .

 

[Dolph]

This must cost businesses millions is lost productivity and general loss.

I know that when a tube strike is one I cancel meetings and work from home.

Bunch of ***** .

Perhaps the union should be responsible for the consquences of their decisions... I'd love to see the compensation claims for that...

 

[Jeff Lynne]

Utter tosh, someone actually fulfilling their working obligations deserves far more respect than those walking out when a perfectly good offer is on the table.

There will have been a vote beforehand you know. As long as all of the guidelines for official industrial action are followed and any strike is legal then it's all democratic.

Have you ever had any first hand experience of being on strike? I've done it twice, both several staggered days of action over a period of time.

 

[Jeff Lynne]

How is it justifiable for the entire service to go on strike when the vast majority were ambivalent to the cause?

There's no solidarity and sacrifice here, just lethargy.

It's their own fault isn't it if they can't be bothered to vote. If theres is anything like ours they'd get a letter through the post, all they have to do is mark an "X" and pop it back in the postbox, how difficult is that?

And, "Gas, Horn, Brake". Easy job

 

[Dolph]

There will have been a vote beforehand you know. As long as all of the guidelines for official industrial action are followed and any strike is legal then it's all democratic.

Have you ever had any first hand experience of being on strike? I've done it twice, both several staggered days of action over a period of time.

Yes, the results of the vote have been posted.

only 28% of tube workers voted to support the strike, 4.8% voted against, and the remainder treated the union with the contempt the request deserved and ignored the vote entirely.

Are you saying that you would bully the 72% of workers who don't want to strike? Weren't you the poster who said solidarity was important?

 

[Jeff Lynne]

only 28% of tube workers voted to support the strike, 4.8% voted against, and the remainder treated the union with the contempt the request deserved and ignored the vote entirely.

You're mixing facts with your personal opinion there aren't you?

The RMT are seeking to protect their members. Why almost 65% of their membership failed to vote is unknown to me, but for the workers they are the good guys. Obviously for those affected by the strike (you?) they're the bad guys so your assumption is from the POV that they're the bad guys when you don't know why they didn't vote.

 

[danza]

Forty grand to drive a train up a bit of metal? I'd do that even if I had a jumper every week.

 

[dymetrie]

Whether they didn't vote through lethargy or contempt is neither here nor there.

The fact remains that 72% of the union workforce didn't vote to strike.

 

[Dolph]

You're mixing facts with your personal opinion there aren't you?

Almost certainly

The RMT are seeking to protect their members. Why almost 65% of their membership failed to vote is unknown to me, but for the workers they are the good guys. Obviously for those affected by the strike (you?) they're the bad guys so your assumption is from the POV that they're the bad guys when you don't know why they didn't vote.

The RMT are doing what the RMT always do, make unreasonable demands amid threat of strike action.

If train drivers conditions are so bad, then there would be problems filling the vacancies and high staff attrition rates, there aren't, so the conclusion is that they are already being paid and treated appropriately.

 

[Jeff Lynne]

Not sure why you've split my last post up when it was it was all one point.

I'm not going to argue with you because you're hell bent against their action because it affects you. It doesn't affect me or my daily routine and I, presumably like you don't know the full story.

My only concern is that whenever threads like this come up on internet forums impressionable young people are led to believe that it's ok if they go against the majority (that voted!) and cross picket lines and think that they can do so without repecussion, when that is almost certainly not the case.

 

[Mulder]

To anyone with experience of these things; is this likely to actually happen? And if it does, will it be a complete non-starter getting the tube?

I'm coming back from York to attend a grad thing in the city but if there's no tube surely it's not worth me coming back?

 

[Dolph]

Not sure why you've split my last post up when it was it was all one point.

I'm not going to argue with you because you're hell bent against their action because it affects you. It doesn't affect me or my daily routine and I, presumably like you don't know the full story.

My only concern is that whenever threads like this come up on internet forums impressionable young people are led to believe that it's ok if they go against the majority (that voted!) and cross picket lines and think that they can do so without repecussion, when that is almost certainly not the case.

it doesn't affect me, I'm not in London. However, I do take issue with the behaviour of trade unions encouraging employees to blackmail their employers into giving them excessive benefits. It's mostly been wiped out apart from in a few sectors where the unions are still stuck in the 1970s, but the RMT is one of the worst examples of 'old' unionism left.