Just got my 120gb Vertex.. (an overview)

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Thought I'd make this thread for people sitting on the fence over whether to get an SSD or not, as I was before I finally stumped out, as well as what to expect from a real world PoV. (Based on my 1 day's experience)

Firstly, my previous system was a very clean and uncluttered install on some raid 0'ed Samsung F1s. It was fast, I kept the crap I installed to a minimum and always uninstalled programs I didn't use to maintain speed, O&O defrags and all. There was nothing wrong with my system, never did I really think "hmm that could load quicker". But reading the hype, especially the "hard drive is the slowest component in your PC" finally pushed me.

Having done my research I knew that the Vertex basically needed it's firmware updating to cure stability and increase speed, so this was job one. Unfortunately though if you're using a raided machine you can't do a firmware update as the SSD needs to be in IDE mode, and mine was either all or nothing. So pain in the arse number one was finding a spare working hard drive to put a clean install onto, then flashing.

First impression was Windows 7 installed very quickly (I'm talking around 10-15 minutes), though whether thats Windows 7 or the SSD I don't know as this is my first go with W7. Did the benching, 245mb read 170 write, looks about right. 7.1 Windows score, nice. Windows definately loads and closes faster, but THAT much faster? Undecided. After all, when did 10-20 seconds really make a difference to loading speed.

Installing a few proggys was about the same sort of speed as my raid. But the snappiness when opening them is noticeable. WoW loading screens are about the same as my raid, but once you're in everything is pretty much there instantly, even Dalaran. No nasty churning sound as all the textures are painfully loaded.

So to conclude.. yes it's fast. Is it poo-your-pants fast? Debatable. Coming from an already fast raid lessened the boost, and I think half the speed most people see (and state in the hype) is coming from a well used, bogged down system to a clean install. If you're on a single hard drive, you'll definately see it. Plus remember you also get the bonus of no sound, low power consump, and security of no raid failure. If you've got the money, do it. If not, don't worry about it, it's not a day and night difference. A graphics or processor upgrade is probably cheaper and higher yielding.


TLDR: Bit of work to get it started, speed increase much different different depending on what you're upgrading from, it's fast but not instant, WoW performance better. If you can afford it, do it.
 
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That's a really good little summation there Paramount, it's helping me on my way to work out whether I should get an SSD. My Maxtor drives are slooooow! :D But I don't think I'd want to spend THAT much on an SSD with the knowledge prices should be crashing in the near future.

BTW with the swift Windows 7 install it's just Windows 7, mine installed in 17 mins from start to finish.
 
So to conclude.. yes it's fast. Is it poo-your-pants fast? Debatable.

For OS speeds, meh ~ maybe / maybe not, an extra second here and there doesn't feel that much of a difference.

...but you cited WoW as an example. For WoW and all the other MMOs loaded on my system, I have definitely noticed a difference. We're not talking about the loading screen 'zone' loads, but the 'micro' loads that occur.

Personally, I agree, not quite 'poo-your-pants fast', rather the next one down, "my-god, that's <expletive> fast".

It's a games enthusiast 'thing', anything that makes the experience better - makes for a happier player.

Gamers don't pull out stopwatches and decry it's (e.g.) 0.5 of a second faster, you know these things in your gut, that the micro-loading-stutter isn't there any more.
 
I upgrade my i7, I did not go from a bogged down piece of crap and I can tell you it's extremely faster. It would also help for you to post your specs, which now something else you have besides your ssd could be your bottleneck.

I had cod4 on my sdd, and now have cod4 on my hdd currently and it's night and day on the difference in load times.
 
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Gamers don't pull out stopwatches and decry it's (e.g.) 0.5 of a second faster, you know these things in your gut, that the micro-loading-stutter isn't there any more.


going form an HDD to an Corsair S128 (that you have and i do) may not be much in it but if the game uses lots of small files as well game loads far faster then an HDD as it has to Seek to where ever the file is, an SSD just access most files in under 1ms, even if your windows is doing something els at the same time

most SSDs are 10-20 faster then an HDD (thats if its not fragmented)

soon as my desktop loads i can run any thing i want and it load right away

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/06/05/corsair-p256-256gb-ssd-review/9
 
Do you think if you had two ssd's. One for the operating system. And one to install your programs on it would be faster and more stable?

I am still churning over in my head whether to just get 1 128GB falcon ssd and chuck the operating system and my 200+ programs on it. Or else to get 2 128GB ssds and put the operating system on one, and all the programs on the other one.

These drives cost £275. So just 1 would be better if the system isn't going to become buggy and clogged up because it has to many programs installed on it.

But at a push, I could get 2, if I am future proofing my system from my own 'install, uninstall' tendency.

What do you think? (I am also tempted to go with one, simply so that I can install on the C/ drive without having to think about it. But thats probably been the problem all along)

This time I have added in a seperate 5 x 1TB raid 5 array for storage, so the ssds would only be used for the installs I mention.

Just ordered the rest of my system, and this is the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle :-)
 
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Stuarts,

I'm close to doing the same (going TOTAL ssd) as I also don't require tons of space. Personally until they get wiper/trim tool to work with raid setups I would not raid, but just have 2 separate ssd's. One for OS/apps/games the other for storage. TBH you can install games/apps to any drive in your system so if you ran out on one ssd, you could install to the other and the speeds would remain just as fast. As far as speed degrading, I would only buy an ssd that supports a wiper/trim utility if it's an mlc based ssd.

I think I heard somewhere that the g skill falcon has their own version of wiper/trim so that would be a cheaper option than OCZ vertex.
 
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if you use 1 SSD or 2, 1 for OS and 1 for games/programs, not likely to see any difference really as it may take 1ms longer to do it on an SSD then 2 SSDs(not something you going to be able to tell) the SSD have very low access times that wipes the floor of Any HDD setup (speed any way not cost/size) and on top of that they do have bit more data rate on top of that as well if your willing to get 2x128gb SSDs just get one 256gb hdd and an WD Green or samsung for storage/backup as they are mostly silent

if your getting 128gb or 256gb SSDs be it samsung/corsair or falcon/vertex, do not have to treat them as Slow Drives any more like you would on an HDD as thay have basically no access times (1ms< norm) do not get to hooked on data rate speeds as well not what makes them fast under norm use


putting just OS only onto the ssd and every thing els on the HDD be not much point as the you still be limited by the HDD speeds when loading up programs, Use the HDD for files that you work on or big files or back ups (any thing els really)
 
You're supposed to put the TLDR on the TOP of the post... in case we don't read it ;-)

I think you make a good point, but there aren't many people claiming it'll blow a raid0 away. I think the point to make is that it's faster, and a LOT quieter. My one hard drive is noisy, two would be a lot worse.

Another good point about the windows loading - my laptop spends 2 minutes booting up a day, then 10 hours plus running. Other than games, there's virtually nothing I'd even notice if it loaded faster, other than it feeling more responsive. How often do most people really open anything?

It's the sort of thing that I want, but it's taking second place to getting a better GPU and silencing the rest of the system.

Thanks for a very normal view on it though :-)
 
Honestly. I open an awful lot of programs when I think about it. Flitting between firefox, photoshop, notebook, acrobat and excel.

It has always bugged me how slow these are to load (buggy 3 year old PC admittedly probably had good bit to do with it :-))

I was going to get one of these or a G.Skill, but after much research in the last two days, have ended up opting for a Corsair P256 (which is a rebadged Samsung PB22-J). Frightening price (£498), but it has 128mb of cache (as opposed to 64mb on the vertex), and seems to be 'smoother' from what I have read. (And there seem to be differing opinions about the Indilinx controllers on the vertex. The Samsung ones seem more designed for the normal PC users amongst us, who just want to plug it in and have it work, without having to worry about firmware updates every month to fix problems) No trim function, which is a drawback, but I figure that Windows 7 is out by October. So they will have to have figured out a trim function by then (any I don't expect my drive to be particluarly fragmented by then)

That being said, there seem to be plenty of happy vertex owners on here, so I guess that whatever ssd you go for you would end up being fairly happy, simply because it still would be better then a conventional hard drive.

Anyhow, time will tell. Stuff is coming in from all over the shop, so I don't expect to be able to start the build for at least another week.

Thanks for the common sense review.
 
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any SSD with cache will work well, samsung ones do seem more plug in play where are OCZ seems plug and mess with and then play

there have not been any firmware updates for samsung based SSDs yet (there will be when trim gets added but that be around when windows 7 comes out just make sure your not using raid or TRIM not work)

some SSDs for some unknown reason when users do certain tasks on them, full format or CCcleaner free space wipe, can can make the perfoamce of the drive suffer you need to do an low level format to fix it them (or ocz Trim) so try to keep at least 20-30GB free on the SSD and not fill it to the point it runs out of space as well
 
Samsung will have to issue them.

They use these drives in their laptops. So they would have an awful lot of support issues on their hands if they didn't.

My guess is that its not a big deal for quite a while in normal use, unless you are geeks like us and start running all manner of funky hard desk benchmarking tools.

With that in mind, I am just going to curtail my inner geek for a while, and resist the temptation to thrash 'em within an inch of their lives. Until that is the trim thing is all hunky dory and it makes no difference.
 
The Samsung ones seem more designed for the normal PC users amongst us, who just want to plug it in and have it work, without having to worry about firmware updates every month to fix problems

OCZ's firmwares haven't been used to fix problems since the 1275, their firmware updates are all about adding functionality, and seeing as they have been driving this forward they now have the ability to use TRIM, and to do firmware updates without needing to use the jumper and without wiping the drive clean - all developments which have been passed directly to the user through their excellent support.:)

samsung ones do seem more plug in play where are OCZ seems plug and mess with and then play

there have not been any firmware updates for samsung based SSDs yet (there will be when trim gets added but that be around when windows 7 comes out just make sure your not using raid or TRIM not work)

Plug'n'mess? I'm assuming that you mean that with an OCZ Vertex you plug it in, load OS then do some tweaks for SSD's on the OS (as you would for any SSD regardless of brand) - so no different from installing any other SSD then! So what's the plug'n'mess all about then? Please explain.

And as I've already said above about firmware updates - OCZ are way ahead of the game... are you really telling me that Samsung users can't use the TRIM command yet and are going to have to wait till Win7's official release? :( poor them, maybe they should all complain to Samsung lol:p.

I just went back to a single 7200 HD with a totally fresh install - its disgustingly noticable!

I get this feeling every day on arrival at work... switch PC on, make coffee, chat, look out of window, oh look I can logon now!
 
I just went back to a single 7200 HD with a totally fresh install - its disgustingly noticable!

I REALLY hope I am impressed with the Corsair P256 I have ordered.

Don't expect too many miracles. But for £498 I think at least a minor 'Water into Wine' moment is called for.
 
my SSD and others in the corsair forums do not seem to get the same problems that happen in here (apart from Macs same SSD Swap into 2 dif macs one works Grate other mac does not, think that happens with other SSDs as well seems more OS X + Nvidia chipset problem)

only tip i can say is not to fill the SSD to the point it has no free space (keep 20-30gb free) or do full formats or use CCleaner free space erase, (seems to push SSDs into an degraded state seems to affect reads as well)

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i see not having to update my firmware every month or so is an plus with the samsungs, when windows 7 officially comes out there will be an firmware update to get the Trim support out on samsung based SSDs
 
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