it'll get worst next year. the teams with the good cars will continue to advance while the teams with rubbish cars will struggle to catch up. It's exactly because of the huge rule changes that the field is close. If the budget caps go ahead it'll make it even worse due to lack of money for development.Istanbul - TURKEY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 7/17
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it'll get worst next year. the teams with the good cars will continue to advance while the teams with rubbish cars will struggle to catch up. It's exactly because of the huge rule changes that the field is close. If the budget caps go ahead it'll make it even worse due to lack of money for development.
Not really - new design for everyone, just as Ferrari and McLaren started badly this year, who says Williams or who ever else cant build a stonking design?
Brawn could be mid table due to challanging for the title this season (as much bigger teams have shown how difficult it can be to challange for that year's title and start designing the next years one also)
There are quite a few significant rule changes next year design wise - could do the same again as this year
Got to say I didn't bother watching the whole race, found it extremely boring when realistically only Button could win that race and no one else stood a chance. This season has been so much worse than the previous few seasons and it can only be bad for F1 to go back to the days of only one person winning. The season is over in another 1 or 2 races, why bother watching the rest of the season.
and Jenson only dropping 4 points all season isnt Brawn Brawn Brawn ? with 7 races gone they've already had 3 1,2s
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Not really. Ferrari and McLaren were spending design time on their 2008 cars right up to the end of the season, because it was so tight right up to end of the season.
In 2009, unless something changes drastically, eg someone makes a MASSIVE improvement quickly, Brawn can begin concentrating on their 2010 car pretty soon I would imagine?
Saying that, the likes of Ferrari, McLaren and BMW will probably abandon their 2008 projects within the 4-6 weeks to start concentrating on their 2010 car (or as soon as the rules are sorted out!!)
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It's 2002 all over again...
I'm not going to stop watching the races but it is sort of like a punishment rather than a joy to watch.
I really expected Turkey to be a good race with plenty of overtaking. It just wasn't though, one of the worst I can remember.
You can't fault Button now, he's steamrollering away with the championship.
Just wish someone would challenge him... I mean YOU Barrichello, pull the finger out. What's happened to you?
I'm not going to stop watching the races but it is sort of like a punishment rather than a joy to watch.
I really expected Turkey to be a good race with plenty of overtaking. It just wasn't though, one of the worst I can remember.
You can't fault Button now, he's steamrollering away with the championship.
Just wish someone would challenge him... I mean YOU Barrichello, pull the finger out. What's happened to you?
I personally find all that fighting for last years title up until the wire an excuse for a bad car this year. You can't tell me Mclaren and Ferrari don't have the resources to split some developement. Its hardly the first time Ferrari and Mclaren have fought to the wire and then needed a new car.
They simply got out thought and spent a lot of time on KERS which has been a failure for all the teams running it.
As I've said before Mclaren rarely build cars with any consistency anyway.
They simply got out thought and spent a lot of time on KERS which has been a failure for all the teams running it.
As I've said before Mclaren rarely build cars with any consistency anyway.
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frank Williams always believes its the car not the driver so thats why he never keeps a driver he thinks is asking to much, he`s let a few go over the years
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why are people finding it boring when 1st is always button?
what about all the other positions? the 2nd league below button can be just as interesting.
i don't find it anymore boring than any other years to be honest
most years there is one driver that dominates
i did hope the racing would be better with the rule changes
but i know really that overtaking wouldnt be any easier, like a lot on here said it would be.
one of the guys from force india said a few races back on bbc that there only 20% down on last years downforce, so much for the rule changes to make the racing better. also kers is a none event and will be dropped at some point
bike racing is so much better to watch if you want action and overtaking
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KERS works great for mclaren and to a lesser degree ferrari. Its almost impossible to overtake them, hence Rubens got into so much trouble this weekend. Like Martin Brundle said, "is that classic racing?" as Kovi just pushed a button a flew back past Rubens. No, its stupid and irrating.
But then theres the other side of the scale. What if Mclaren, Ferrari, BMW and Renault had not botherd at all with KER's. Would they be up front instead? All that wasted development and testing on KER's could have been spent on making a perfectly balanced chassis like the BrawnGP car....
Personally i cant wait for either 2 options.
1: KERS unit forced in (maybe a customer supplier for teams that cant afford to design it themselfs.)
2: KERS to be Banned totally.
I read that as well, a shame really as I quite liked KERS as (in theory at least) it allowed better overtaking.
alteast when it was schumacher winning a lot he had a proper rival and the championship often got decided in the last 2 races.
it looks like button will have the championship pretty much decided in the next few races
then its a pitty the race director only ever bothers with the cars at the front.
any action in the middle or towards the rear of the pack is ignored, i bet a lot of the cars were only ever saw on the parade lap and at the start and may aswell not have been on the track for the rest of the race as far as the race director was concerned
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Thats over one season or so far 1/2 a season - not multiple , huge difference
As also pointed out Red Bull SHOULD be able to pull off some wins in the relative near future for either driver - which makes three potential winners, 4 if you want to include Rubens if JB has a failure makes a mistake.
If Schumi or Hakk made a mistake more often than not the team compensated and held back No2 driver in a stop or something still allowing 1st driver to win the race - over about 6 - 7 years THATS BORING!!!
Exactly - so Ferrari and McLaren will have a head start for 2010 on everyone as they DONT have to fight for either championship.
Not only that but with Red Bull being just as reliable as Brawn (and from driver perspective MORE reliable given Rubens mistakes) they could put up a challange for either or both - esp given the liklihood of wet races in the next few outings, so Brawn ARE going to have to keep on working on this year's car otherwise before long they could easily be back with the Ferrari's /Renaults by the end of the summer break
Do you realise how many updates Brawn have put on their car since Aus - certainly 3 if not 4 significant parts, wihtout those Red Bull would easily be infront - why would that change if Brawn stop developement now? With 10 races left and a number of those potentially wet (and therefore going into Red Bull's hands) no one can afford to try and "gaurentee" future points until they are actually on the board
Bare in mind with two wet races , Red Bull could easily be a lot closer to Brawn than they are now and really make one or both championships a real fight for the end of the season
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Who?
2004 Rubens was 2nd very distant 148 to 114
2003 He had kimi as a partial rival 93 to 91
2002 He beat rubens by a mile 144 to 77
2001 He beat DC who had 65 points to MS 123
2000 He beat Mika by 108 to 89 points
1995 102 to 69 points over Hill
1994 92 to 91 over hill.
He rarely had competition and those years his team mate come second he wasn't a rival.
Most of the years MS actually had competition to the wire he lost.
What I don't understand is why there is hardly any competition this year in the race when in qualifying the cars are very close to each other
Is it because Bridgestone brings one good compound and one crap compound they are forced to use?
Is it because Bridgestone brings one good compound and one crap compound they are forced to use?