The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

Dj_Jestar said:
They did not "win"; the others "lost".
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, either way about it they won, yes the other parties came off worse, but for them to win a seat there has to be an increase in the number of votes they received relative to the other parties.
 
deuse said:
Sir being a RACIST is not illegal in the UK.
The more people say it here the more there arguments fail.
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You're correct that being racist is not illegal, inciting racial hatred of course is but that's an aside. Anyone is quite obviously entitled to hold racist views but others are equally entitled to pick them up on this and dismiss their viewpoints as unimportant or uninformed because of it.
 
Monkey Puzzle said:
I was thinking more of your SPS account. I'd link but I don't think the mods here would like it, so I'll just quote a few of your more pleasant posts:









Funny, it doesn't sound like that to me.
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Good lord - Is that the same dirtydog? If so, you've shown yourself to be hateful already but that's another level. Disgusting.
 
mglover070588 said:
They got a few people in as people voted for them.

Clearly some people like them. I voted but not for BNP, however BNP is better than Labour any day.
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So you regard BNP as a better option than Labour but yet didnt vote for them??..why ever not??...they may be a racist xenophobic party through and through but theres nothing wrong with voting for them or are you afraid that you will be called a racist??.

I'll tell you this as much as the BNP are deluded and people thinking they are a better option...they will completely and utterly destroy this country...sure things are bad now with Labour but with the BNP in charge you havent got a hope in hell.
 
deuse said:
I hear what your saying mate.
The people I talk to are the 40-70 year old, who can remember when the UK was great.
If a Murder happend it would be front page news for weeks and the cops would not stop till they got the guy.
Now its a nothing to kill some one,no one shouts about it, shame really.

A lot has changed over the last 40 years and I voted BNP because I wanted the British citizens to have a future
nothing to do with color or race I want British jobs for British people is that so wrong?
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Frankly, yes, that is SO wrong.
 
Sudden said:
Fair enough point, but I do think that if some serious policy is going to be considered by a government, such an assumption shouldn't be made. While it may be reasonable to assume it in a discussion, I don't think it is if the government is going to make a decision that will be impacting the children. If such a decision is going to be made, then evidence proving what you initially said should be found before going ahead with it.
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Totally agree with you and I suspect the government already has this data.

But surely the same would apply to anyone in any subject? For example, if you have one kid whose excellent in maths, but poor in english then the teacher may have to spend a little time explaining the concept to him because of the language barrier. But if another kid understands the language perfectly but doesn't grasp the concept of the topic at all, then the teacher would have to spend extra time with him, thereby devoting resources, as well to explain it?
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The difference is that the second child you have described is in actual fact typical of ALL kids in school and would be dealt with within the normal stream of the classroom.

Let me try to explain further:

All kids fail to grasp new concepts first time round - unless they are super smart - this is why our educational learning is based around repetition and practise. Most kids will need mathematical concepts explained to them several times over AND have to practise for days before they get them right.

However if I have a child in my class who cannot understand English very well, then they will struggle as I start to break out into more elaborate language to try and explain the concepts. The answer is to educate the child in English before he or she joins the mainstream education system, either that or have a second maths teacher who can speak the childs first language.

Both these options take resources away from the mainstream children and this is the kind of thing the BNP picks up on and argues against.

I for one think that kids should have a good grasp of english and if we have to give them remedial education to do so then so be it.
 
I know this thread brings up a lot of strong opinions, but there are to be no racial slurs - that means the 'n' word is not to be used. Also, keep of the personal attacks. Attack the opinion not the person. If people keep pushing the boundaries this thread will be locked and there won't be any more of them.
 
Captain_Slick said:
Just because it's not illegal, doesn't mean it's okay. Stop trying to justify your horrid views.
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Sir,

Just because you say its racist, does not make it so.

Please, in a gentlemanly type way, explain what is racist to me? what is patroitic? what is fascist?

Not just to you Captain_slick, but to you all as i feel some of you do not know what they are and confuse them with little quips of text to 'quasi prove' your reasons without thinking it through.

Point in case - Asian Funeral Parlour...... Racist? Patriotic? Facist? or just a advert saying what they do?

When people stop shouting out words they have heard to cover their own feelings, then and only then can we debate what is going on and what, if anything, needs to be done.

What is wrong with being proud to be white and british, im proud of it. You have as much right as a Asain born in the uk to be british as the red indian born in mossside as the turk born in Glasgow as the Spanish born in newcastle to be as proud as they are. Dont you see, they arnt racist, they are here, they want what you want, love, fun, respect, money, life, to live to see new things. If your not racist, and they are not racist, who starts it?

When someone says your being racist, challange them to prove it, then argue your case, with your hands in your pockets. Maybe they have a point, maybe they dont, but by hiding we, as a people, solve nothing.

So, please, stop labling everything you dont like as racist please. Other wise we will have no advertising anywhere.... although now you mention it...

ColiN
You people make me laugh and cry at the same time at times.
 
Evangelion said:
False. Multiculturalism demands integration. That's the whole point. Immigrants are required to integrate with the wider community at all levels, and are permitted to preserve their own culture whilst contributing to the national multiculture. Look at Australia for examples of this.

I think you are confusing "culture" with "society".
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I disagree with some of that. Multiculturalism requires a certain level of integration and preservation of their native culture. But it's a compromise. Having pockets of communities that do not integrate does not benefit society, people need to be both to bridge cultural gaps.
 
What's with the stupid anxiety over the N word? It was not used as an insult, we were showing evidence of dirtydog's true character which is very relevant to the thread.
 
Mr Griffin told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme: "There's a huge amount of racism in this country, overwhelmingly it is directed towards the indigenous British majority, which is one reason we've done so well in these elections."

He said "the indigenous majority [were] the second-class citizens in every possible sphere, not as a consequence of the immigrants themselves, but because our ruling elite has made them second-class citizens."

I would say, produce your evidence and what do you mean by 'indigenous'?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I disagree with some of that. Multiculturalism requires a certain level of integration and preservation of their native culture. But it's a compromise. Having pockets of communities that do not integrate does not benefit society, people need to be both to bridge cultural gaps.
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Well yes, but if you look at Britain I think the native population is fairly open to this - it is the immigrant population that tries to act as if they are still back home and not as if they are in the UK.

For multiculturalism to work the natives should give 25% while the immigrants give 75% or something like that.


EDIT: I'll give an example; I'm personally a fraction Portuguese/Indian as my dads family is from Goa (former Portuguese part of India).
Some of the extended family moved here about 5+ years back - now since they are part Portuguese they are Western than Indian - and was working as a social worker in London (so working with Police and Child Protection people). Now because my aunt looks part-Indian whenever she went to say a Muslim household in official duty she would be EXPECTED by to cover-up ... is that multiculturalism at work?

fraps said:
Mr Griffin told the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme: "There's a huge amount of racism in this country, overwhelmingly it is directed towards the indigenous British majority, which is one reason we've done so well in these elections."

He said "the indigenous majority [were] the second-class citizens in every possible sphere, not as a consequence of the immigrants themselves, but because our ruling elite has made them second-class citizens."

I would say, produce your evidence and what do you mean by 'indigenous'?
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Indigenous is someone who asked "how do you identify yourself" replies "British"; and does not reply "Asian British", or "Muslim" or "African-American" or "Pakistani British".
It is someone who does not go and hide behind the "I'm Black therefore you must hire me even if a better qualified White candidate is there simply because you need to meet your racial quota of ethnic people"...
 
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colinuk said:
What is wrong with being proud to be white and british, im proud of it. You have as much right as a Asain born in the uk to be british as the red indian born in mossside as the turk born in Glasgow as the Spanish born in newcastle to be as proud as they are. Dont you see, they arnt racist, they are here, they want what you want, love, fun, respect, money, life, to live to see new things. If your not racist, and they are not racist, who starts it?
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I think the key point here is not that you're proud of your ethnic background but that you're saying that white people should be positively discriminated against that makes it racist.

And yes, I'm aware of the implications of that post. Discrimination on terms of race whether it is positive of negative is racist IMO, despite current government policy.

I am of the opinion that no discrimination is the best policy, even though that may be somewhat of as utopian ideal.
 
blix said:
What's with the stupid anxiety over the N word? It was not used as an insult, we were showing evidence of dirtydog's true character which is very relevant to the thread.
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It was used in a context I believe is unacceptable and therefore removed it. I don't think the word could be used in this thread without being a racial slur.
 
The government is racist by having "positive discrimination" for blacks and asians. And they expect anyone to take them seriously when they have such policies? Also they are in no position to criticise anyone else.
 
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