The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[Angilion]

Yes, absolutely. So tell me, what is the purpose of the BNP? And what is the purpose of the BPA?

In both cases;

i) To promote a particular group of people based on what they consider to be "race", in practice predominantly defined by skin colour.

ii) To promote the idea that people should be grouped together in such a way.

The BPA aren't the same as the BNP, but they share some viewpoints.

 

[Angilion]

But the point that the other person (sorry, I forget the name) was making was that just because english wasn't there first language, does not mean they don't speak it fluently.

For example, I grew up in India. Only came here about 4 or so years back. But in my opinion my english is far better than my hindi. But given that I grew up in India, wouldn't that make hindi my first language? Assuming that it is, I am yet to find someone who is able to point out any serious flaws in my ability to speak,write or understand english. Just because it may be considered my second language, does not mean that I don't speak it fluently. And I hardly think that i'm an exception.

It depends on how you define "first language". First as in the first one you learned? First as in the one you use most?

 

[Sudden]

It depends on how you define "first language". First as in the first one you learned? First as in the one you use most?

Of course. But most people usually define it as the one the person learned first as such. Personally, I have no idea what my first language is. I would say english since i've been speaking it since I was a child and can express myself better in it. However, that is not to say I can't speak hindi. I also grew up speaking that and have been speaking it since I was a child. I use the language i'm most comfortable with in a given situation. Perfectly fluent in both. As a result, an argument can be made that being from India, hindi is my first language, which is what I was doing

That being said, I know plenty of people who are far more comfortable in hindi and prefer speaking it. Despite this, their english is flawless (barring the accent naturally). In their case, you can easily say that hindi is their first language and english their second or third, even though they are compltely fluent in it.

 

[Vidar]

Of course they would, if they could get away with it. At the moment, they have to maintain a facade of being much less extreme than they really are, in order to get support from people who don't know what they're supporting. This policy is slowly working. So they say that initially they'll "strongly encourage" people to leave but won't actually force them. Initially.

Just out of curiousity what would be so wrong in the forced removal of illeagal immigrants and Failed/Bogus Asylum seekers? It should happen under the law as it is anyway

 

[Dolph]

Just out of curiousity what would be so wrong in the forced removal of illeagal immigrants and Failed/Bogus Asylum seekers? It should happen under the law as it is anyway

Nothing, but that's only the tip of the BNP policy iceberg...

 

[Angilion]

I hear what your saying mate.
The people I talk to are the 40-70 year old, who can remember when the UK was great.
If a Murder happend it would be front page news for weeks and the cops would not stop till they got the guy.
Now its a nothing to kill some one,no one shouts about it, shame really.

A lot has changed over the last 40 years and I voted BNP because I wanted the British citizens to have a future
nothing to do with color or race I want British jobs for British people is that so wrong?

Yes, because that's not what the BNP is about. It's just a populist theme they can tag themselves onto at the moment.

Incidentally, the murder rate in the UK has dropped every year for the past five years. Rosey-spectacled memories of a past that didn't really exist are not a good reason for voting fascist.

 

[Angilion]

There is no such thing as Nazism, Nazi is purely a contraction of National Socialist as in NSDAP. Fascists, yes, insane, undoubtedly, did they prey on the fears of the populace to get into power, absolutely. Once in power though yes they ran riot. However give anyone too much power and they will run wild with it. Germany had been a democracy it was only after Hitler came to power that they became a dictatorship and they could do what they like. Do you honestly see a time in this country when 1 party is given so much power they can abolish democracy. I think not. Sorry if I drifted off topic there but fascism and what the Nazi's did are not the same thing.

I doubt if many Germans in the early 1920s saw a time in their country when one party gained so much power they could abolish democracy. Obviously, that didn't stop it happening.

 

[Angilion]

But it's a perfectly good reason not to vote for a racist party.

The fact that none of the vocal BNP voters in this thread will admit to being a racist is somewhat odd, however.

I don't think it is. The BNP has a policy of concealing its racism as much as possible in order to broaden its support. So many BNP voters are either taken in by this pretence and don't know what the BNP is or they agree with the policy and therefore do it themselves.

 

[Vidar]

Heres something that really irks me to the extreme, those of you against the BNP throw around that supporters like myself must be racist or nieve because we support a party that fair enough has a membership policy that allows only white indiginous people to join its ranks yet if a similar policy was set up for say a Black political party or group etc nobody would bat an eye lid as thats perfectly acceptable. I guess you can only be a racist if you are white eh?

 

[Angilion]

as regards to people heritage. some english people are really confused about their identiy. most people claiming to be full english in london particulary east london cockney guys. are eastern europeans jew, that migrated to england at the time of the war. the country has always been some type of haven for refugees.

especially when i you guys names ending with goldstien, but he is claiming full english pride, i dont like fake people

dont say ur english if your not

English is a nationality, not a bloodline. If someone comes here and becomes English, they're English. Don't forget that the English migrated here from somewhere else - does that mean no-one is English? On top of that, I doubt if you could find a single person in the country with an entirely English ancestry.

The earliest records we have of this island are from the Roman occupation. They very clearly indicate a country inhabited by a wide mix of people, because Roman descriptions of Britons vary a great deal. It was the Romans who grouped them together as "Britons" - they did not see themselves as a single group. So they were a mixed bunch even before the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Norse and Normans added themselves to this part of the island. England was a hodgepodge of peoples even before it was unified as "England", so claiming any sort of bloodline as "English" is silly. It's a nationality, not a "race", so anyone can be English.

 

[Dolph]

Heres something that really irks me to the extreme, those of you against the BNP throw around that supporters like myself must be racist or nieve because we support a party that fair enough has a membership policy that allows only white indiginous people to join its ranks yet if a similar policy was set up for say a Black political party or group etc nobody would bat an eye lid as thats perfectly acceptable. I guess you can only be a racist if you are white eh?

No, it would be equally unacceptable. I've asked for examples of similar groups that restrict membership by race, but so far no-one has been able to provide one.

 

[Glaucus]

Heres something that really irks me to the extreme, those of you against the BNP throw around that supporters like myself must be racist or nieve because we support a party that fair enough has a membership policy that allows only white indiginous people to join its ranks yet if a similar policy was set up for say a Black political party or group etc nobody would bat an eye lid as thats perfectly acceptable. I guess you can only be a racist if you are white eh?

Those policys are racist and you are either the same or you haven't read it and no, most of us would be just as against such parties.

 

[Sudden]

Heres something that really irks me to the extreme, those of you against the BNP throw around that supporters like myself must be racist or nieve because we support a party that fair enough has a membership policy that allows only white indiginous people to join its ranks yet if a similar policy was set up for say a Black political party or group etc nobody would bat an eye lid as thats perfectly acceptable. I guess you can only be a racist if you are white eh?

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't the ones against the BNP stating that the problem is that they are advocating the removal of non-whites? It's not like a Black political party is saying get rid of the whites?

 

[Angilion]

It was used in a context I believe is unacceptable and therefore removed it. I don't think the word could be used in this thread without being a racial slur.

That was the point - it indicated that a person was racist. By removing evidence of their racism, you are helping their cause.

 

[Vanilla_Pod]

Sorry but to vote BNP you need to be either a very gullible and naive person or simply a racist!! imho of course

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[ron3003]

I think you'll find the murder rate has gone down due to people who are bang to rights almost invariably pleading manslaughter in court to get a lesser sentance and the hard pressed courts then agree to accept the plea to save time and public money.

 

[Angilion]

well scandinavian and french is far more closer to home. than the illegal aliens that arrived yesterday from afganistan, stopping over at greece etc

this country has an identity, it shouldnt be lost

I suggest you look into the Norman (French) conquest and to what extent they thought they were close to the English and to what extent the English thought they were close to the Normans.

A couple of pointers to help you:

Look up "Presentment of Englishry".

Look up Richard the Lionheart's views on England. Language has come up in this thread - he didn't speak English and didn't want to. The most famous king of England wasn't English, held the English in contempt and regarded them solely as a source of money.

"far more closer to home"? Rubbish.

 

[m_cozzy]

If me wanting the best for this country makes me a racist, them I'm proud to be called one.

 

[Sankari]

If me wanting the best for this country makes me a racist, them I'm proud to be called one.

Of course it doesn't make you a racist.

 

[AJUK]

Dirtydog, you are very much mistaken if you think that.

The people who I know that have voted BNP are either:

a) Uneducated
b) Think it's a good idea to follow the media hype / crowd
c) Have no other political interests
d) Read the Sun

I'm sure there are some very intellectual individuals that know and understand BNP's policies that have calculated that voting for them will make this country more efficient, productive and a better place to be... but I don't know who they are.

And the award for the most gross generalisation goes to...