I disagree. A highly educated and intelligent person can (and many quite often do) vote for the BNP. They pretty much have to be racists though. To fall for their rather lame attempts at populist polices though would mean that you would have to be a bit on the dim side.
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I disagree. A highly educated and intelligent person can (and many quite often do) vote for the BNP. They pretty much have to be racists though. To fall for their rather lame attempts at populist polices though would mean that you would have to be a bit on the dim side.
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Whilst I don't doubt that average BNP IQ is probably lower than average, what's going on with the levels in that study? IQ is normalised to 100, yet the average in the study is clearly well above that, and must be pretty rare to get sample variance from the population with a sample size of 6000...
People with a lower IQ are probably less likely to vote.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/feb/01/uk.ukcrime
If you want to trawl through the data from the department of statistics, feel free.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/default.asp
OK, no problem.
I said that the homicide rate in the UK has fallen for the last five years. You wanted a source. You were supplied with a source. You then said it didn't show a good decrease in numbers, which wasn't the claim made. That's where you're wrong - you're moving the goalposts.
You're also wrong concerning the degree of the decrease. 1047 down to 757 is quite a large decrease.
People were referring to BNP voters, not senior BNP members. Senior BNP members know what they're doing. Many BNP voters have no idea what they're voting for. That's an important difference.
You are making a claim about the level of education amongst BNP supporters. Making numerous very basic mistakes in English undermines your point. You appear to be poorly educated while claiming that BNP members are not generally poorly educated, which should matter to you. Unless, of course, you are trying to convince people that BNP supporters are generally badly educated and/or not very bright.
I think a friend who's doing Theoretical Physics at L'pool voted for them (with firsts in Mathematics and Quantum Physics modules amoungst others). He's certainly no 'racist' - you know the actual DICTIONARY definition of 'racist'.
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He voted for a whites-only party. Not racist?
He may not be, but he voted for a racist party.
r kelly style
Having the intelligence available does not mean that they actually applied it to the issue at hand in a fair, objective and holistic manner.
People vote for extremes out of ignorance, nothing more.
Fundamentally, anyone voting BNP is simply doing so to justify their prejudices, which are more often than not born from ignorance in the first place. Sure, protectionism is sometimes warranted, and as I've said before - with issues regarding immigration, etc. our state can do much to address the issue as there clearly are some huge 'wrongs' of principle from an egalitarian perspective - but voting for the BNP is like trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer; it'll fix the 'problem' but it'll also damage whatever it touches. People are using their short-sightedness, bias, prejudices, and ignorance to blind them from objective reality. It is the curse of self-awareness.
Humans always react to the world around them, and mostly they will react badly - this is where such biases are born. If life was equal, fair, and uncompetitive, we would all be liberal. It takes education, empathy, and high emotional intelligence for people to become liberal; for extremists, there is usually a damaged link in this chain.
Anyway, I'm not sure if that makes too much sense as it is late.
People vote for extremes out of ignorance, nothing more.
Fundamentally, anyone voting BNP is simply doing so to justify their prejudices, which are more often than not born from ignorance in the first place. Sure, protectionism is sometimes warranted, and as I've said before - with issues regarding immigration, etc. our state can do much to address the issue as there clearly are some huge 'wrongs' of principle from an egalitarian perspective - but voting for the BNP is like trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer; it'll fix the 'problem' but it'll also damage whatever it touches. People are using their short-sightedness, bias, prejudices, and ignorance to blind them from objective reality. It is the curse of self-awareness.
Humans always react to the world around them, and mostly they will react badly - this is where such biases are born. If life was equal, fair, and uncompetitive, we would all be liberal. It takes education, empathy, and high emotional intelligence for people to become liberal; for extremists, there is usually a damaged link in this chain.
Anyway, I'm not sure if that makes too much sense as it is late.
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A BNP thread on the OC GD forum......shame on all of you for giving these ignorant, convicted (for race hatred incl. griffin) half-wits air time....
gratz OC GD
Contra las Fascistas :flag:
Big fan of censorship are we?
That is just as bad as racism. I'm glad i live in a country where such bigots can voice their views publicly. It gives everyone a chance to ridicule them.
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This thread is nothing more than a bad joke now, the majority of those who are against the British National Party seem to be making an assumption that those who do in fact support them are inherently less intelligent or poorly educated. Without actually having the statistics from certified tests for BNP members and supporters to ascertain this information no one can state their assumptions as being fact.
Those whose opinions differ from my own and that of other BNP supporters could also be considered small minded or idiotic, though as I have stated I am not one for making deliberate assumptions. You can think what you like about me but the question none of those who are against have even considered in any meaningful way is why? What personal experiences could a person have that would leave them in the mind set of voting for a party like the British National Party.
Personally I do not hold a degree, I never held any particular interest in going to university, not because it was beyond my abilities, in fact I greatly enjoy learning new things but fail to see the relevance of how a detailed knowledge of the history of Art or Literature for example could really benefit me in every day life even though I find both fascinating.
I have done a wide variety of jobs out there including security in various roles such as door supervision and event staff. I have worked other roles as well from call centres of various descriptions to face to face roles such as careers advice. I feel I can say I have had more experience with the general population than most on these forums, though I may be wrong.
My point is, far more people feel the same way about things as I and the other supporters of the BNP, though the majority are simply too afraid to speak openly of their opinions for fear of retaliation or of being branded a racist, though again most people don’t understand what the real definition of racist actually is. These people are acquaintances, friends, colleagues, family members and general members of the public ranging from Taxi Drivers to Barristers so to say all of their opinions and feelings are wrong is not for any of you to say, the simple fact is there is a great deal of resentment over the abuse of the immigration system, clashes of culture both religious and otherwise and it seems that those in the positions of power prefer to prioritise services such as housing, even funding for education in the form of grants to immigrants. This is the reason why I vote for the BNP as despite there strong racial sentiments they appear to be the only political party that want to put we English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh first.
racism
• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
— DERIVATIVES racist noun & adjective.
Source: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/racism?view=uk
I am now withdrawing my participation in this thread, I feel any further attempt to express my point of view will just be met by more insults and ridiculous assumptions and will ultimatley prove to be a fruitless exercise.
Those whose opinions differ from my own and that of other BNP supporters could also be considered small minded or idiotic, though as I have stated I am not one for making deliberate assumptions. You can think what you like about me but the question none of those who are against have even considered in any meaningful way is why? What personal experiences could a person have that would leave them in the mind set of voting for a party like the British National Party.
Personally I do not hold a degree, I never held any particular interest in going to university, not because it was beyond my abilities, in fact I greatly enjoy learning new things but fail to see the relevance of how a detailed knowledge of the history of Art or Literature for example could really benefit me in every day life even though I find both fascinating.
I have done a wide variety of jobs out there including security in various roles such as door supervision and event staff. I have worked other roles as well from call centres of various descriptions to face to face roles such as careers advice. I feel I can say I have had more experience with the general population than most on these forums, though I may be wrong.
My point is, far more people feel the same way about things as I and the other supporters of the BNP, though the majority are simply too afraid to speak openly of their opinions for fear of retaliation or of being branded a racist, though again most people don’t understand what the real definition of racist actually is. These people are acquaintances, friends, colleagues, family members and general members of the public ranging from Taxi Drivers to Barristers so to say all of their opinions and feelings are wrong is not for any of you to say, the simple fact is there is a great deal of resentment over the abuse of the immigration system, clashes of culture both religious and otherwise and it seems that those in the positions of power prefer to prioritise services such as housing, even funding for education in the form of grants to immigrants. This is the reason why I vote for the BNP as despite there strong racial sentiments they appear to be the only political party that want to put we English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh first.
racism
• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
— DERIVATIVES racist noun & adjective.
Source: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/racism?view=uk
I am now withdrawing my participation in this thread, I feel any further attempt to express my point of view will just be met by more insults and ridiculous assumptions and will ultimatley prove to be a fruitless exercise.
How is what he said at all an advocacy of censorship? Free speech only means a freedom from the government's censoring your speech, it doesn't mean that you have a right for a publisher (which is what OcUK effectively is) to publish your material, nor does it mean that you have a right to be listened to.
That said, exposing the BNP's "policies" to scrutiny is pretty much the best opposition the BNP will ever have. They can only benefit from marginalisation and obscurity.
Racism is a negative quality under both of those definitions and both of them fit with the BNP's policies and viewpoints, so I don't see what point you're trying to prove?