Istanbul - TURKEY Grand Prix 2009 - Race 7/17

Lopéz · 8 Jun 2009 at 19:10

The reason for Brawn's dominance is simple. He's built a car that is as good as it can be within the given rules, and has a driver who suits the machine perfectly. That doesn't often happen. Result? Button is virtually unstoppable at the moment.

RBR lack dry race pace and until they sort that out they won't challenge, especially if Vettel keeps dropping the ball.

CS Nuts, any particular reason the Red Bull seems so difficult to drive in "overtaking" conditions? Dirty/turbulent air doesn't seem to affect the other cars on the grid anywhere near as badly. Rubens was outbraking and drafting people down the grid on Sunday and that was without 7th gear so it can't be something that affects all cars equally.

Lopéz · 8 Jun 2009 at 19:23

I feel very sorry for Piquet actually, even though he doesn't always do himself any favours. He is obviously a skilful and competent driver - that wall of trophies did not come out of thin air.

He's obviously desperately unhappy at that team where Alonso really is held in "Goldenballs" status, and driving for Flav when the results aren't rolling in must be any driver's worst nightmare.

Glaucus · 8 Jun 2009 at 19:33

How can they be working on next years cars? the rules haven't been finalised also budget caps? Imagine if the rules change and they've already spent x% of their budget..

Emlyn_Dewar · 8 Jun 2009 at 19:56

I just wish Piquet would get on top of things, just a lack of confidence?
He was responsible for one of the few interesting things to happen during Sunday's race, I'll let him off for Saturdays failings.

Desperately unlucky in Monaco as well.

I want Renault to get as much points as they possibly can, but I hope they don't cast Piquet out like yesterdays jam. *tumbleweed*

On a side note, the dropping of KERS and the throwing away of this farcical tyre rule can't come quick enough. (They are dropping the 2 compound thing, right?)
Might as well just bring back Michelin if it's artificial racing through tyres they want.

Goksly · 8 Jun 2009 at 19:59

im sure core parts of the rules will have been sorted already - so they can start work on the basics (i.e. start thinking about how to fit a 50000litre fuel tank in the car).

Skeeter · 8 Jun 2009 at 20:54

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46093&PO=46093

Shock horror as KERS systems are considered a monumental waste of time and money...

First decent decision to come from the whole FIA/FOTA argument yet.

arknor · 8 Jun 2009 at 21:10

frakker said:
Dunno if this has been mentioned before, but looks like Piquet (yes, the real one) has a page on Twitter: http://twitter.com/NelsonPiquet_

Thankfully his updates aren't as slow as he is on track.

loads of people have entered f1 after winning all sorts of other championship trophys and still ended up crap in an f1 car.

its not often someone gets in as a money driver anymore

Skeeter · 8 Jun 2009 at 21:58

frakker said:
Dunno if this has been mentioned before, but looks like Piquet (yes, the real one) has a page on Twitter: http://twitter.com/NelsonPiquet_

Thankfully his updates aren't as slow as he is on track.

Do you recon if he gets enought followers he will crash that too?

Kenai · 8 Jun 2009 at 22:14

Lopéz said:
Rubens was outbraking and drafting people down the grid on Sunday and that was without 7th gear so it can't be something that affects all cars equally.

That confused me, he said he didn't have 7th gear, then a couple of minutes later showed his in car with dials on screen and it showed him shift into 7th :confused:

I can only assume that whatever it was got fixed very quickly, or the telemetry doesn't work properly...

deuse · 8 Jun 2009 at 22:35

Lopéz said:
RBR lack dry race pace and until they sort that out they won't challenge, especially if Vettel keeps dropping the ball.

CS Nuts, any particular reason the Red Bull seems so difficult to drive in "overtaking" conditions? Dirty/turbulent air doesn't seem to affect the other cars on the grid anywhere near as badly. Rubens was outbraking and drafting people down the grid on Sunday and that was without 7th gear so it can't be something that affects all cars equally.

I think its down to the back of the RBR car,they had the Gearbox upside down for some reason
Now they come to fit a double diffuser they have got to rearrange things.

And when it comes to over taking or diving up the inside/outside
you got to have traction to get away after the pass and the RBR have not got that.

Mind you what they did to Vettel was just plain stupid a 3 stopper for gods sake.

sunama · 9 Jun 2009 at 00:44

I'm struggling to still understand how any of you can believe that anybody other than Button can win this year's title. Every race that goes by shows us that BrawnGP are able to stay ahead of the competition and while the BrawnGP cars aren't so dominant in qualifying, their drivability makes them very fast, over a full race distance. In some instances, Button is able to go almost a second a lap faster than the rest of the cars.

Vettel might be able to get a win or 2 if it rains, but on dry tracks those BrawnGP cars are way ahead of the competition. Credit has to be given to BrawnGP for the work they have done and are continuing to do.

Button fans should enjoy every minute of what they are seeing this year, as its quite possible that this season will be the last time Button ever wins a race. Enjoy it while it lasts.

If Silverstone give us a wet race, it should be quite exciting as Vettel should be able to give Button a run for his money.

As for Barrichello - he is seriously underperforming and seems to think that F1 is actually bumper car racing.

ShakenNstirred · 9 Jun 2009 at 00:48

Kenai said:
That confused me, he said he didn't have 7th gear, then a couple of minutes later showed his in car with dials on screen and it showed him shift into 7th

I can only assume that whatever it was got fixed very quickly, or the telemetry doesn't work properly...

its more than likely that it went in to 7th there by showing on the screen, but he had no drive when in 7th

ShakenNstirred · 9 Jun 2009 at 00:57

sunama said:
Button fans should enjoy every minute of what they are seeing this year, as its quite possible that this season will be the last time Button ever wins a race. Enjoy it while it lasts.

that goes for any driver in F1, there is no guarantee anyones car will be a race winner, look at Ferrari/Mclaren this year

dannyjo22 · 9 Jun 2009 at 01:14

sunama said:
Button fans should enjoy every minute of what they are seeing this year, as its quite possible that this season will be the last time Button ever wins a race. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I think it's been proved beyond a shadow of doubt you don't have a clue in regards to button and what he's capable of.

Your just bitter because you was his biggest critic and you have been blown apart. The last shred you can cling to is how Button must win now, in the hope it doesn't happen so you have something else to cling to.

Ross Brawn loves him, Ross Brawn accepts his pace was far better than he thought. A huge part of the success is down to the car but so what it was with schumacher in Brawn cars as well.

Not that Button will care, if he was offered a title in 09 and then never finish a race again let alone win one I'm sure he would take it. Not only that he would have done it from a far worse team and starting point than any champion in recent memory.

Overlag · 9 Jun 2009 at 01:20

Kenai said:
That confused me, he said he didn't have 7th gear, then a couple of minutes later showed his in car with dials on screen and it showed him shift into 7th

I can only assume that whatever it was got fixed very quickly, or the telemetry doesn't work properly...

yup, we saw him use 7th gear every time we was onboard without issues, so im not sure why we was told otherwise. I think what Rubens ment on his pit radio was it feels like he has no 7th because of the KERS on the Kovi's car ment it always pulled away.

also as vettel said the wind had changed giving tail winds on the corner he went off, and the long straight, maybe that ment Rubens was hitting RPM limit earlier than the mclaren (set up with taller gear due to KERs)

arknor · 9 Jun 2009 at 07:54

frakker said:
Probably. Worryingly, he seems to update it about 90 mins or so before the race. Er, shouldn't he be perhaps concentrating on other things?!

like icecreams perhaps?

Over Clocker · 9 Jun 2009 at 08:25

A few news items - sorry don't have time to post full stories, but:

Mosley pushing teams hard into a Tuesday (today) deadline to sign up. He is saying the FIA is now not allowed to change the rules unless all teams agree to it, so if they want the rules changed they have to sign up to change them :s

Flibster · 9 Jun 2009 at 10:55

Over Clocker said:
A few news items - sorry don't have time to post full stories, but:

Mosley pushing teams hard into a Tuesday (today) deadline to sign up. He is saying the FIA is now not allowed to change the rules unless all teams agree to it, so if they want the rules changed they have to sign up to change them :s

Does that mean all the teams agreed to the cost cap initially before throwing their toys out of the pram?

*sniff*

Can anyone smell someone's pants on fire?

Duke · 9 Jun 2009 at 11:02

Q&A with Ross Brawn - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75966

Christo · 9 Jun 2009 at 11:23

sunama said:
I'm struggling to still understand how any of you can believe that anybody other than Button can win this year's title. Every race that goes by shows us that BrawnGP are able to stay ahead of the competition and while the BrawnGP cars aren't so dominant in qualifying, their drivability makes them very fast, over a full race distance. In some instances, Button is able to go almost a second a lap faster than the rest of the cars.

Vettel might be able to get a win or 2 if it rains, but on dry tracks those BrawnGP cars are way ahead of the competition. Credit has to be given to BrawnGP for the work they have done and are continuing to do.

Button fans should enjoy every minute of what they are seeing this year, as its quite possible that this season will be the last time Button ever wins a race. Enjoy it while it lasts.

If Silverstone give us a wet race, it should be quite exciting as Vettel should be able to give Button a run for his money.

As for Barrichello - he is seriously underperforming and seems to think that F1 is actually bumper car racing.

If Button can get to the front of the grid, ie in clean air, he is capable of going fast, what will be interesting is if the other teams start out qualifying Brawn. Once this starts happening it will become more of a competition. Im mildly sceptical about Button, considering this meteoric change that has occurred in his performance, but looking back at his track record in other formulas this performance can be qualified in some way. I think come next year he will be capable of winning races, your assessment of him seems rather harsh and it seems you have been proven wrong several times about him this season.

Im really not sure why everyone goes on about Vettel/Red Bull being so good in the wet - for 1 race it did well in the wet, not sure that is enough to qualify such a 'legendary status'.