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Evangelion said:
In 2008, immigrants took up less than 5% of the social housing in England and Wales.
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Have you ever seen a immigrant living on the streets?
I know for a fact that Solihull council help them with renting a private place
i.e if the rent is £600 a month but they need a deposit then solihull councill will give them the £600 deposit.
And they wont ask for it back EVER.

So times that by how many immigrants coming into the UK.
So if 5% took housing thats about 8,000 homes they took UK wide.(thats if my maths are ok lol)
 
dirtydog said:
Why in goodness's name does one single immigrant get given social housing?
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Because they're eligible for it. As I understand the current situation, there are two conditions under which an immigrant is eligible for social housing: (a) emergency accommodation for refugees, and (b) social housing for immigrants who been resident in the UK and in work for at least 12 months, and successfully met the same criteria applied to the rest of the British population. So where's the problem?

Immigrants should go right to the back of the queue. While there is one single British person on the housing list, no immigrant should get social housing.
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Not even refugees? Not even immigrants who have been working and paying taxes for 12 months?

It really is time we started looking after our own people first.
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The UK already looks after its own people. In order to be eligible for social housing, mmigrants need to meet stricter requirements than those applied to British nationals.

Hell, British nationals don't even need to have worked in order to qualify; they can doss on benefits for 20 years and still be eligible for council housing. Yet immigrants need to have been in work for at least 12 months before they're even eligible - and even then, they have to meet the regular, needs-based criteria applied to the rest of the population.

What more do you want?
 
deuse said:
Have you ever seen a immigrant living on the streets?
I know for a fact that Solihull council help them with renting a private place
i.e if the rent is £600 a month but they need a deposit then solihull councill will give them the £600 deposit.
And they wont ask for it back EVER.
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Exactly, it isn't just social housing we help these people out with - many immigrants will be in private sector lets anyway, with rent and council tax paid for by the council. Homes which could have gone to a British person or family. Housing is scarce and expensive in this country, whether you rent or buy. This increased demand reduces supply and pushes up prices for all. I don't find it acceptable for the taxpayer to help ONE immigrant live here.
 
I think we should come down hard on the lazy sods who claim benifits instead of the immigrants. Cut unemployment benefit right down. The bnp voters are just shifting the blame to the immagrants, rather than their own theiving from the rest of us.
 
deuse said:
Have you ever seen a immigrant living on the streets?
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Yes. I would have been one myself, if it wasn't for friends who helped me out. As a newly arrived immigrant, I was not eligible for social housing, and it's very difficult to afford private accommodation without a job.

There's a stack of Polish and East European workers sleeping rough at the moment because they don't qualify for social housing and can't afford to pay for private accommodation (see the article here).

I know for a fact that Solihull council help them with renting a private place
i.e if the rent is £600 a month but they need a deposit then solihull councill will give them the £600 deposit.
And they wont ask for it back EVER.
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Source please?

So times that by how many immigrants coming into the UK.
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Why? Not every immigrant gets social housing. That's the whole point. The overwhelming majority pay for their own private housing.

So if 5% took housing thats about 8,000 homes they took UK wide.(thats if my maths are ok lol)
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I don't think your maths are OK.
 
scorza said:
Nevertheless, if you've been waiting for X years for social housing, and then an immigrant family come into the country and are given social housing because they tick more boxes than you. You have to wonder "would I have got that house if they hadn't come into the country?", and then you can't wonder why people vote BNP.
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But it isn't really any different than a non immigrant family coming into the area and being given social housing because they tick more boxes than you.


scorza said:
As DD said, why should any immigrant* get social housing ahead of a British person?
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In a lot of cases they don't. The question is though should social welfare only be for those people born in the country? You have had a go at me in the past for not caring enough about people and yet now you yourself are doing the same. Surely it is only a matter of where we draw the lines?
 
Evangelion said:
There's a stack of Polish and East European workers sleeping rough at the moment because they don't qualify for social housing and can't afford to pay for private accommodation (see the article here).
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Why do we let people come into the country who can't afford to live here? They should go back, not sleep on our streets like vagrants.
 
RDM said:
But it isn't really any different than a non immigrant family coming into the area and being given social housing because they tick more boxes than you.
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Very different, because from whatever part of the country we come from, we are all British. Not foreign.

But in any case, being from out of area does reduce your eligibility for social housing and rightly so.
 
Havnt seen this posed yet bt sorry if i missed it; It seems to me that where the BNP have won seats or have done well is not due to "spporters" at all i believe that it is just people who thought that they'd be wasting their vote or meerly diddnt want to vot for the big 3, the BNP have not misused taxpayers money (though thats not to say they wouldn't if they could) by voting BNP the voters are trying to show their annoyance with those with bad press rather than elect "racists"
 
dirtydog said:
Very different, because from whatever part of the country we come from, we are all British. Not foreign.
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It will make no difference at all to the person that still doesn't have social housing and is still on a waiting list.

dirtydog said:
But in any case, being from out of area does reduce your eligibility for social housing and rightly so.
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Depends on the area and equally applies to those pesky foreigners, what with Poland being "out of area" too.
 
chuck990 said:
Havnt seen this posed yet bt sorry if i missed it; It seems to me that where the BNP have won seats or have done well is not due to "spporters" at all i believe that it is just people who thought that they'd be wasting their vote or meerly diddnt want to vot for the big 3, the BNP have not misused taxpayers money (though thats not to say they wouldn't if they could) by voting BNP the voters are trying to show their annoyance with those with bad press rather than elect "racists"
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You say that, but have you read this thread? Some deluded people seem pretty dedicated to the bnp.
 
chuck990 said:
Havnt seen this posed yet bt sorry if i missed it; It seems to me that where the BNP have won seats or have done well is not due to "spporters" at all i believe that it is just people who thought that they'd be wasting their vote or meerly diddnt want to vot for the big 3, the BNP have not misused taxpayers money (though thats not to say they wouldn't if they could) by voting BNP the voters are trying to show their annoyance with those with bad press rather than elect "racists"
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To be honest less people voted BNP this time than last time, it was just that even less people voted for the other parties (especially Labour!) more.
 
RDM said:
It will make no difference at all to the person that still doesn't have social housing and is still on a waiting list.
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Just because something doesn't affect me directly, doesn't mean it doesn't affect me indirectly because of its effect on the country overall.

Depends on the area and equally applies to those pesky foreigners, what with Poland being "out of area" too.
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Poland isn't just out of area, it's another country which in my book should mean eligibility is denied, full stop.
 
Evangelion said:
Because they're eligible for it. As I understand the current situation, there are two conditions under which an immigrant is eligible for social housing: (a) emergency accommodation for refugees, and (b) social housing for immigrants who been resident in the UK and in work for at least 12 months, and successfully met the same criteria applied to the rest of the British population. So where's the problem?
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(a) isn't a problem but (b) is. Economic migrants must be just that. If people come to this country to work then that is fine (provided it is legal) but if you lose your job you must be prepared to support yourself or leave.

A friend of mine took a year's unpaid leave to go and live and work in Australia with the express intention of becoming a permanent migrant there. Unfortunately for him it didn't work out and he was unable to obtain suitable long-term employment that meant he could get a permanent visa. So he had to return home to blighty instead. This is how economic migration should work. Presumably if he'd been working for 12 months the Australian government wouldn't be supporting him either?
 
Also what do people think about these "polish hand carwash" places, they do pretty well money wise (I kinda say fair play to that) But a guy that started working here is polish, and he used to work for one, he said they all shared a small house, about 8 of them, and it was cramped, but they didnt pay ANY tax on there earnings, so they are house sharing times 8 and not paying tax, he says he has saved loads, and send loads back to his family in poland, and goes and visits them ever few months.
 
Ross1234 said:
Some get told false things about coming here and then cant afford to go back.
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If this happens to British people abroad then the British embassy will loan you the money to get home. Why does this not happen to foreigners in this country?
 
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