The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

No wonder the rest of the internet thinks OC's is a far right racist forum when you have idiots posting rubbish like dirtydog & deuse !!
How do you ignore people's post on this forum? I've had enough of these idiots poisonous hatred.
 
Sudden said:
No he wasn't. Under him, employment was very high. They no longer had to deal with the economic nightmare that was the versailles treaty. Without him, they would still be repaying the war debt imposed by the treaty. If he was such a disaster, the people would not have been supporting him even after the war began. The amount that tried to assassinate him was miniscule and came into place largely only after the war took a turn for the worse.

Yes the genocide that he perpetuated was a horrible event in human history and one that will hopefully never be repeated but it does not mean that everything else he did was a disaster for Germany. The genocide detracted seriously from the war effort and Germany would have been far better off without it. While strong arguments can be made about how he was bad for the world at large because of the widespread destruction caused and loss of human life (ignoring the fact that it was only because of him that Stalin was cancelled out), you can also argue that it was because of him that many of the people in Germany were happy that they had a cause to support and a strong leader to follow. The economy had begun recovering before he came to power, but it improved to the extent it did largely under him. Whether or not it was due to his policies is debateable, but the point remains it did pick up.
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I never said Hitler didn't do any good things. But I think it's fair to say that, on balance, he was negative for Germany. He led his country into the abyss. Oh actually he wasn't even bloody German, he was Austrian.
 
dirtydog said:
Why are you so opposed to the BNP then. Only the BNP would give us this.
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There already is a points based system in place? I know that I need a certain amount of points to qualify for a student visa and a certain amount to qualify for indefinite leave to remain.
 
vonhelmet said:
So we don't like scrounging benefit thieves, right? Lets chuck them out then. Can we get rid of the native scroungers too?

Also, I understand that hard working Eastern Europeans also aren't welcome - is that right?
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Off topic
I just read on your blog about Pablo the chess guy.
My mate winston has been trying to meet the guy for a game for years.
You lucky so and so :)
 
dirtydog said:
Why are you so opposed to the BNP then. Only the BNP would give us this.
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I don't suppose it's worth mentioning at this time that (outside the EU) it has been operating on a points-based system for some time now...

Tier 1 (General) Migrant of the Points Based System was launched for foreign nationals living in the UK on 29 February 2008 and replaced the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme (HSMP). On 30 June 2008 three additional sub-tiers were rolled-out and the programme was extended to include applicants resident overseas. The four sub-tiers are Tier 1 (General) Migrant, Tier 1 (Investor), Tier 1 (Entrepreneur) and Tier 1 (Post-Study Work). Tier 2 for Skilled Workers and Tier 5 for Temporary Workers and the Youth Mobility Scheme were launched worldwide on 27 November 2008. The first stage of Tier 4 (General) Student and Tier 4 (Child) Student rolled-out on 31 March 2009
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http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/doineedvisa/
 
Vanilla_Pod said:
No wonder the rest of the internet thinks OC's is a far right racist forum when you have idiots posting rubbish like dirtydog & deuse !!
How do you ignore people's post on this forum? I've had enough of these idiots poisonous hatred.
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Please quote my posts where I have voiced poisonous hatred...

And given that most people here are hostile to my views, how on earth are you tarring the entire forum with the same brush? Isn't that a bit, oh I don't know, prejudiced?
 
dirtydog said:
I never said Hitler didn't do any good things. But I think it's fair to say that, on balance, he was negative for Germany. He led his country into the abyss. Oh actually he wasn't even bloody German, he was Austrian.
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You said he was a disaster. Hardly implies that he did good things ;)

He did not 'lead his country into the abyss'. He came worryingly close to winning, and if that had happened then whatever the condition of the world, it would be in no way bad for Germany. Even without that, the allies learnt from their mistakes and made sure not to put in place a treaty so harsh that another Hitler would come about. So in that regard, Germany benefitted. The only significant negative that he caused was the huge negative perception towards Germany that was/is present due to the Holocaust.
 
Sudden said:
You said he was a disaster. Hardly implies that he did good things ;)

He did not 'lead his country into the abyss'. He came worryingly close to winning, and if that had happened then whatever the condition of the world, it would be in no way bad for Germany. Even without that, the allies learnt from their mistakes and made sure not to put in place a treaty so harsh that another Hitler would come about. So in that regard, Germany benefitted. The only significant negative that he caused was the huge negative perception towards Germany that was/is present due to the Holocaust.
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Millions of dead people is arguably another significant negative.

Hang on, I'm the Nazi/fascist/racist etc. shouldn't I be defending Hitler? ;)
 
Sudden said:
Ah, fair enough :) Even if they want to stay longer than the 90 days that they can without any visa? (I assume 90 since those are the conditions for UK people going over there).
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EU citizens can move and stay here forever. No need to apply, no need for checks, no need for approval, and if they commit crimes, even serious ones, we aren't allowed to deport them after they serve their sentence.
 
Monkey Puzzle said:
I agree with an Australian point-based system for immigration into this country, though that itself has certain problems for some UK business (eg seasonal work).
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dirtydog said:
Why are you so opposed to the BNP then. Only the BNP would give us this.
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Labour introduced an Australian style points based system in February 2008 (see the article here). Details of the system available here.


On 29 February 2008, a new immigration system was launched to ensure that only those with the right skills or the right contribution can come to the United Kingdom to work or study.

The points-based system enables us to control migration more effectively, tackle abuse and identify the most talented workers.

The system has three key elements:

* It combines more than 80 previous work and study routes to the United Kingdom into five tiers.

* Points are awarded according to workers' skills, to reflect their aptitude, experience and age and also the demand for those skills in any given sector. This allows the United Kingdom to respond flexibly to changes in the labour market.

* It is a fair, transparent and objective system which enables potential migrants to assess their likelihood of making a successful application - this means that it should help to reduce the number of failed applications.
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Evangelion said:
Labour introduced an Australian style points based system in February 2008 (see the article here). Details of the system available here.


On 29 February 2008, a new immigration system was launched to ensure that only those with the right skills or the right contribution can come to the United Kingdom to work or study.

The points-based system enables us to control migration more effectively, tackle abuse and identify the most talented workers.

The system has three key elements:

* It combines more than 80 previous work and study routes to the United Kingdom into five tiers.

* Points are awarded according to workers' skills, to reflect their aptitude, experience and age and also the demand for those skills in any given sector. This allows the United Kingdom to respond flexibly to changes in the labour market.

* It is a fair, transparent and objective system which enables potential migrants to assess their likelihood of making a successful application - this means that it should help to reduce the number of failed applications.
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Not for EU citizens! :p
 
By continuing this thread we're giving far more 'airtime' to the BNP, a true farce of a political party, than it ever deserves. I know I'm as guilty by bumping this but it's really time to leave the BNP goons to their siege mentality outlooks, their dreams of a white Britain, and their nightmares of a UK where diversity flourishes and they're left wondering why no one takes them seriously and looks at them with a mixture of disgust and pity.

But mainly pity.
 
Vanilla_Pod said:
No wonder the rest of the internet thinks OC's is a far right racist forum when you have idiots posting rubbish like dirtydog & deuse !!
How do you ignore people's post on this forum? I've had enough of these idiots poisonous hatred.
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Ok Mr wise guy show me where I said I hate blacks or any color or where i have said I am racist.

UNLESS you have NOT read all the posts in this thread which means you fail.
 
dirtydog said:
Millions of dead people is arguably another significant negative.

Hang on, I'm the Nazi/fascist/racist etc. shouldn't I be defending Hitler? ;)
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I already mentioned the issue with human life earlier. Felt repeating myself to be a waste of effot : p

Oh and i'm defending his economic, political etc. policies. Not his race ones ;)

As for the EU citizens thing. Doesn't it work both ways? Can't UK people go and stay there indefintley as well?
 
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