Windows 7 hits RC stage Build 7100

Faustus · 8 Jun 2009 at 20:38

Well having now tried W7 beta and W7 RC on two different machines I have satisfied myself that moving from Vista to W7 isn't worth it and I am just about to reinstall Vista. I accept that moving from XP to W7 is definitely worth it but there again so was moving from XP to Vista - I did it with three machines from launch and have never regretted it. I have actually found RAM usage up by around 4% on Vista and the OS really does not feel as smooth as Vista does on the Laptop. I'm sure W7 will do well but there again it should due as it's basically Vista with a different frock. It could be that W7 needs a bit more work but I have not found it as pleasing as Vista and should perhaps be viewed more as a work in progress.

SimonTW · 8 Jun 2009 at 21:44

Hmmm, having problems with W7 and ATi drivers in general. I have installed W7 on a new build (i7 920, EX58-UD5, 6GB Patriot Viper, Asus 4870X2), tried running the system rating tool, only for the video drivers to fail when trying to do anything Direct3D 10 related, and for windows to generate the "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered" message. I tried installing the Catalyst 9.5 drivers, but this caused the PC to BSOD during the process, with the error code 0x00000116. When it restarted and tried launching windows, the same BSOD would happen. This cotinued perpetually until you turned the PC off. I formatted and tried installing W7 again, yet the same problem persists. I have had a google, some people have had similar problems, but I've seen no real fixes/ideas. Anyone have any thoughts?

Faustus · 8 Jun 2009 at 23:05

Update - good old Acronis has now restored my Vista image and everything is back as it was - I'm glad to return to Vista - installing RC was a worthwhile exercise but glad to have Vista back.

Eatchipz · 9 Jun 2009 at 00:04

My desktop is not showing my any icons on my computer :confused:

Everything is ticked like to show desktop icons and if I drag something onto the desktop it just disappers/doesnt appear its really odd!

My drive in encrypted with TrueCrypt if that makes a difference?

willhub · 9 Jun 2009 at 09:42

Faustus it's not just vista with a frock on.....

More often than not people report it faster than Vista, it's miles faster here and if you read up there are many differences not just eye candy but under the hood.

sWiZzLe · 9 Jun 2009 at 15:50

Eatchipz said:
My desktop is not showing my any icons on my computer

Everything is ticked like to show desktop icons and if I drag something onto the desktop it just disappers/doesnt appear its really odd!

My drive in encrypted with TrueCrypt if that makes a difference?

Do you have second monitor? Icons might be on it! Last week i kept loading up win7 to find that it had set my 2nd monitor to my main one, took me ages to figure out how to reset it - no options to do it in CCC, theyre in win7 dsiplay options

CliffyBiro · 9 Jun 2009 at 18:20

Installed this at 5pm and have had 2 BSODs already. Both during a restore of my Steam games through a backup.

Apart from that which I hope was due to the restore process, I'm linking 7.

james.miller · 9 Jun 2009 at 18:46

Faustus said:
I think that's one that you need to take up with the boys from Seatlle as this was a quote taken directly from an MS blog a few months back?

fine - ill do so, and ill use the people actually using w7 on netbooks as proof

Now I nearly choked on that one and clearly shows that you haven't done any research on me. If you check this forum and many other such forums you will see that I love MS products - nearly everything I buy is MS and I hold BG in a god like status. I have defended Vista right from day one, which by the way is the day I installed it (I run it on three machines). Vista is a fine OS but has been hounded out of existence by the tech press who seem to have their own agenda and people with little knowledge or experience of the product on forums such as this. 3rd party manufacturers were to blame for a lot of Vista's problems as they didn't see any value in updating drivers for their products to make them Vista compatible when they could sell the user a brand new one and make a hefty profit from it. I have installed both the Beta version of W7 and the RC so to say I haven't given it any thought or research is just plain offensive.

Perhaps you can provide your CV for Vista and W7 and tell me why it would be worthwhile for me to upgrade then?

i researched windows 7, i mean thats what the thread is about right? I dont need to go looking in to your history as well. please note i never said you should go upgrading to windows 7 if your happy with vista, stick with it if thats what you want. if you bother to look at my history, you'll know i stick with with works. My issue only issue is that you believe 7 performs the same as vista, maybe on top of the line hardware it does but on somethign more reasonable it doesnt, especially netbooks and laptops in general.

still, if you'd done your research ect ect

MeatLoaf · 9 Jun 2009 at 18:59

Hmm ive found my first annoying problem

Sometimes when i restart the PC, when windows reboots i find that i have no network connections available via my ethernet port on my mobo

This only started happening yesterday. It works fine via wireless connection.

I'll retinstall the nfoece drivers and see what happens

sWiZzLe · 9 Jun 2009 at 19:24

Is there any way to reposition the view desktop button which is currently to the right of the clock/date etc on the right ..... do the left side?

I know i can use Start+D but sometime i cant be bothered

sWiZzLe · 9 Jun 2009 at 19:27

Faustus said:
Update - good old Acronis has now restored my Vista image and everything is back as it was - I'm glad to return to Vista - installing RC was a worthwhile exercise but glad to have Vista back.

Why dont people have the common sense to set up a dual boot system? I would never install a beta os over my main os - mental!

willhub · 9 Jun 2009 at 19:44

I'm mental, my main OS is Windows 7, call the men in white coats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Old Wino · 9 Jun 2009 at 20:37

CliffyBiro · 9 Jun 2009 at 21:02

Anyone with a PS3 using this?

Two questions for ya.

1. My PS3 isn't finding my media on WMC/WMP despite me having it set to share to all devices.

2. I hear you can use PlayTV in conjunction with Media Centre. Anyone managed this?

Faustus · 9 Jun 2009 at 21:46

willhub said:
Faustus it's not just vista with a frock on.....

More often than not people report it faster than Vista, it's miles faster here and if you read up there are many differences not just eye candy but under the hood.

Unlike a great many people I do my research and conduct my own test drives - many bench tests reports do not concur with your findings - I have posted one on here. I too did not find W7 one bit faster which if I believe what many people have said it should have been much faster on a Laptop that by todays standards is old hat. Restored Vista to said Laptop and it's fair whizzing along again. This could be due to a variety of reasons one of which being it may be a Release Candidate but I found W7 a bit rough around the edges. For the vast majority of users W7 will be Vista with another frock.

Another reason why many people are reporting speed improvements is due to performing a clean install - well most clean installs usually work much faster be it Vista W7 or even Windows 98 :rolleyes:

Faustus · 9 Jun 2009 at 21:52

sWiZzLe said:
Why dont people have the common sense to set up a dual boot system? I would never install a beta os over my main os - mental!

Well perhaps not everyone has the HD space to partition their drive :eek:

Also if you have an excellent backup solution like Acronis then you can install a completely new OS with confidence knowing you have a full disk image of your previous system on an external HD - or perhaps you are one of those people that never backup eh? :rolleyes:

Oh and just for the record, on my main Desktop I dual boot Vista and Linux. Apology accepted by the way for referring to me as mental.

Faustus · 9 Jun 2009 at 21:58

james.miller said:
fine - ill do so, and ill use the people actually using w7 on netbooks as proof

My issue only issue is that you believe 7 performs the same as vista, maybe on top of the line hardware it does but on somethign more reasonable it doesnt, especially netbooks and laptops in general.

still, if you'd done your research ect ect

If you care to check my other posts in this thread you will see I have installed W7 on my own Laptop which by todays standards has a poorer spec than many Netbooks. Now reinstalled Vista on said Laptop and it's running better with that then it did with W7 -fact.

james.miller · 9 Jun 2009 at 22:25

Faustus said:
If you care to check my other posts in this thread you will see I have installed W7 on my own Laptop which by todays standards has a poorer spec than many Netbooks. Now reinstalled Vista on said Laptop and it's running better with that then it did with W7 -fact.

funny that, you were saying they were the same earlier - make your mind up!

anyway, i dont really care less. just because vista is faster on yours doesnt mean thats the case for everybody. infact the majority say w7 is faster. i shant be replying with FACT after every little snippet of information i give you. thats a childs games. thats it really, im done with this little argument of yours. There's a plethora of links out there that can be found with a simple google detailing the differences between vista and 7. there's thousands of user account out there on the web detailing experiances with both from people who arent out to prove a point, argue for the sake of it or anything else.

go look for them, and that includes anybody else who wants to try 7. shock horror - i dont care if you dont like - nobodys forcing you

Faustus · 9 Jun 2009 at 22:38

james.miller said:
funny that, you were saying they were the same earlier - make your mind up!

anyway, i dont really care less. just because vista is faster on yours doesnt mean thats the case for everybody. infact the majority say w7 is faster. i shant be replying with FACT after every little snippet of information i give you. thats a childs games. thats it really, im done with this little argument of yours. There's a plethora of links out there that can be found with a simple google detailing the differences between vista and 7. there's thousands of user account out there on the web detailing experiances with both from people who arent out to prove a point, argue for the sake of it or anything else.

go look for them, and that includes anybody else who wants to try 7. shock horror - i dont care if you dont like.

OK James - take care. As you say there are thousands of links out there with people writing about their own experiences - which is exactly what I'm doing, though you only seem to want to hear about those experiences that concur with your own?

It's Vista Jim but not as you know it! :eek:

Another reason why many people are reporting speed improvements is due to performing a clean install - well most clean installs usually work much faster be it Vista W7 or even Windows 98

Mattus · 9 Jun 2009 at 23:41

I tried the 7 beta on my laptop (Core Duo 1.66, 1.5GB RAM, crap hard drive). It ran just as well as XP. On the same machine, Vista was pretty sluggish. Both were fresh installs. That's convinced me that 7 has significant improvements on lower-spec machines.

Also, I tried 7 in a virtual machine with 512MB RAM. It actually ran pretty well. I'd like to see you try that with Vista and have anything more than a frustrating experience.