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Many of the older threads get deleted/pruned after a certain time period (I believe it is to reduce the overhead for searches) so that is why the search function will only show threads back to 2007 - VIRII was banned sometime in 2007 it would appear which is partly why not many results show up despite his post count.
 
If you are correct and many feel that something needs to be done about the levels of immigration then who would you recommend that someone who is against the current levels of immigration, and who considers immigration and forced social change to be very important issues, votes for? Which one party (other than the BNP) has made a major issue of immigration?

The conservative part for a start has sensible immigration policies:
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Immigration.aspx
of course other parties also have similar immigration policies.
 
Who do you think the "Normans" were? Do you think that they were some seperate people from the "Norsemen"?

You might find this an educational and interesting read:
http://normans.etrusia.co.uk/whowere.php

Indeed interesting, thank you. I take back my point about them missing the Normans, but the rest of my criticism still stands. :p

Do you know the origins of this poem? According to Wiki:
"Martin Niemöller was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Hitler's rise to power at first. But when Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned."

I did, what better person to write the poem than someone who was misled by the Nazi ideology.

I find it interesting that his main (original) issue was Hitlers insistence of State over religion, from your signature I'd take a wild guess that you'd agree that State should come before religion?

Of course, in that respect Hitler was right; religion should have nothing to do with state politics. Politicians of course should have the right to whatever faith they choose, until they start passing laws in line with their religious dogma. A free state with free religion is the only progressive way.

1000 people is often considered a representative poll in national surveys. However the makeup of this forum is not that representative, what percentage of posters are female for example?
Nationally I believe that over 6% of the UK population who voted cast their vote for the BNP. So given that this forum is not that representative of the UK as a whole in terms of sex or age I don't think that the 10% you have quoted is "way above" the general population.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/euro/09/html/ukregion_999999.stm

Depends how you define 'way above' I guess, nearly double is certainly significantly higher. With regards to the makeup of this forum and the result I wonder are women less likely to vote BNP because they generally have more empathy?

The UK also seems to have a smaller amount of "right wing" sentiment than Europe does.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8088309.stm

Some parts of Europe yes, of course as we are one of the most and oldest liberal societies on the planet; so that really isn't that surprising.

Given the recent UK elections is it not fair to say that the entire country as a whole seems to be more right wing than left wing at the moment? Why would, or indeed *should* this forum be any different?

Certainly if you look at the results as a 1 dimensional barometer, then clearly near enough the whole country is right wing. Clearly it's not that simple as a lot of voters either didn't vote or voted against Labour to one of the more right alternatives. Labours opinion polls are the lowest they have ever been, it's really not surprising we have seen a rightward swing. Saying that New Labour are a centre right party anyway, having eroded a lot of their left wing sensibilities in the last 15 years. A large section will vote for whoever The Sun and The Times tell them to vote for anyway.

What was your definition of "Norman"? ;)

I presumed (silly me) that because they spoke French that they were derived from Frankish (Gaul+Germanic+Roman) stock, I'm sure there was quite a miscegenation between the local Franks and the Viking invaders, which would have created their own hybrid. ;)
 
What is the english then? I would love to know.

Perhaps this wiki article will help, perhaps not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people

Incidentally who are the Irish? Who are the Chinese? Who are the Romanians? Who are the Polish? Not many places on earth have peoples which have evolved with little or no mixing with other "races". Yet we rarely seem to have a problem identifying Germans as "Germans" or Mexicans" as "Mexicans".... yet we do seem obsessed with destroying any notion of British or English as having any history or significance. I wonder why that is. It certainly was not the case 50 years ago or even 30 years ago. Indeed it only seems to have come into being since mass immigration started to cause resentment amongst those who were already here.
I wonder why that might be......
 
So if Hitler was right about at least one thing, couldn't the BNP be right about some things as well?

well he got the trains to run on time as well, but if the trade off for that was the forced labour of millions of people and the mass extermination of different parts of the population then I would rather have late trains
 
Another mob turned up at Nick Griffin's second press conference yesterday...

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Does this thug not realise the irony of the placard he is holding?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ick-Griffin-calls-police-grip-protesters.html
 
a post full of non-sense with a strong racist undertone.

Would it be possible for anyone to post something that was anti imigration and not favourable about the effects of having lots of different cultures in this country without you describing it as "racist" or "trash"?
 
The conservative part for a start has sensible immigration policies:
http://www.conservatives.com/Policy/Where_we_stand/Immigration.aspx
of course other parties also have similar immigration policies.

They do not seem to have anything about restoring balance to what has already occurred or about restoring social cohesion and national identity which is undeniably fractured as a result of becoming "multicultural".
They only seem to discuss future measures fro controlling further immigration into the UK but I could not see anything that would deal with the current issues that are causing people to feel discontentment.
 
I did, what better person to write the poem than someone who was misled by the Nazi ideology.
He only felt misled because it impinged upon his religion.
Of course, in that respect Hitler was right; religion should have nothing to do with state politics. Politicians of course should have the right to whatever faith they choose, until they start passing laws in line with their religious dogma. A free state with free religion is the only progressive way.
What if that religion tries to gain power and impose itself on politics and into law? What if that religion demands that it become a criminal offence to criticise it? At what point does that religion need to be put back in its box?
Depends how you define 'way above' I guess, nearly double is certainly significantly higher. With regards to the makeup of this forum and the result I wonder are women less likely to vote BNP because they generally have more empathy?
I think that if we could see figures nationally for the same demographic of mainly young male voters that the 10% seen here would be about the same on a national scale. If there were more females and more middle aged people on the forum then it might be different. Perhaps women have different priorities rather than just more empathy. Perhaps they vote for more "positive" policies such as more spending on education, healthcare etc or green issues.
Some parts of Europe yes, of course as we are one of the most and oldest liberal societies on the planet; so that really isn't that surprising.
And yet so many people here scoff at the notion of being "British" or "English" and consider our heritage and history as "nothing to be proud of". So many here are quite happy to see this old and liberal society mixed up with lots of very dissimilar cultures who are far from liberal. Surely that can only damage that which you are impressed by.
Certainly if you look at the results as a 1 dimensional barometer, then clearly near enough the whole country is right wing. Clearly it's not that simple as a lot of voters either didn't vote or voted against Labour to one of the more right alternatives.
Perhaps that accounts for the 10% BNP vote here then. Younger people, who are newer to politics, might be less aware of alternatives and might be more prone to protest voting. It doesn't make this a "right wing" forum.
Labours opinion polls are the lowest they have ever been, it's really not surprising we have seen a rightward swing. Saying that New Labour are a centre right party anyway, having eroded a lot of their left wing sensibilities in the last 15 years. A large section will vote for whoever The Sun and The Times tell them to vote for anyway.
Didn't the BNP blame their "low" vote on the Sun for demonising them? There does seem to be a lot of people being ever so quick to generalise about various media outlets and political parties whilst not being overly well versed in facts.
I presumed (silly me) that because they spoke French that they were derived from Frankish (Gaul+Germanic+Roman) stock, I'm sure there was quite a miscegenation between the local Franks and the Viking invaders, which would have created their own hybrid. ;)
You mean the Normans were a "mongrel nation"? Do you find it odd that we're quick to recognise "normans", "saxons", "celts", "germans", "dutch" etc as distinct peoples yet we seem to be determined to destroy any notion of there being a "british" people that has a history and ethnicity?
 
well he got the trains to run on time as well, but if the trade off for that was the forced labour of millions of people and the mass extermination of different parts of the population then I would rather have late trains

That was Mussolini wasn't it? And it's a myth - the Italian rail service did improve under Mussolini but much of the improvements started before the Fascists were in power.
 
If you were born in Japan would you be Japanese?

Ever heard of Jus soli? Sadly Japan is one of the countries that still follows Jus sanguinis policy, which requires you to be of the native blood; so you wouldn't. Do you think you have 100% Northern European genes?

Or would you be a Japanese citizen? Is there a difference between being "ethnically" Japanese and being a Japanese citizen? Is being "British" the same thing as being a British citizen? It seems to me that plenty of British Citizens describe themselves as Pakistani or Indian rather than British. Could it simply be that different people see the term "British" in different terms?

I'm quite happy that we have a Jus soli policy, which means that anyone born here is entitled to call themselves British. It is part of what makes this nation Great. Also I think you'll find as well as labelling themselves Indian or Pakistani, they usually have the moniker British in front of it.

Do you have to look somewhat Japanese to "be" Japanese?
It seems to me that most people apply different rules to being "british" than they apply to people who claim to be African or Japanese in so much as British is not considered to be an historical grouping of people whereas Japanese is.

One thing the BNP love is our former Empire, guess what Britain brought it's culture (and prosperity at a price) to other genotypes. Were people born in parts of the British Empire not British? I guess in a way British has taken to mean something more than Japanese since Britain has always been a multiracial society, since the first wave of migrations over 2000 years ago.

We have always mixed cultures and genes, we have just got to the point where we have more diverse genes beings mixed. Which is a a good thing because a wider amalgamation of genes strengthens the gene pool. Culture is a transient social program that is ever changing and something you cannot stop.

Sadly the BNP just fear this change and the people who are different, so they want to close our borders and send back non-white people to their races place of origin. They fear the Islamification on this country, which is a threat that has been blown out of all proportion.

I am sure that if you went back a mere 100 years then most people around the world would describe a British man as primarily being "white" and as having descendents that were historically from the British Isles. Perhaps all that has changed is that some people have forgotten the difference between "race" and "citizenship".

If you went back 100 years the British Empire still controlled large parts of the world, were people born in the colonies not part of that?

People have not forgotten the difference between race and citizenship, it's just most people realise that race shouldn't effect how you regard someone.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'"

Sadly there are elements in the BNP that still believe in the superiority of the White race.
 
Ever heard of Jus soli? Sadly Japan is one of the countries that still follows Jus sanguinis policy, which requires you to be of the native blood; so you wouldn't. Do you think you have 100% Northern European genes?
I think it is unlikely that I do but it is highly probable that all of my traceable ancestry is from Northern Europe.

I'm quite happy that we have a Jus soli policy, which means that anyone born here is entitled to call themselves British. It is part of what makes this nation Great. Also I think you'll find as well as labelling themselves Indian or Pakistani, they usually have the moniker British in front of it.
I think, might be wrong of course, that they are entitled to call themselves a "British Citizen" and that "British" is a description of ethnic origins. People can be one or the other or both.
One thing the BNP love is our former Empire, guess what Britain brought it's culture (and prosperity at a price) to other genotypes. Were people born in parts of the British Empire not British?
British (as in Irish, Welsh, Scottish or English) or British as in British Citizens? I am not sure if a black Kenyan man in the 1800s was considered British in any sense other than being under British rule.
I guess in a way British has taken to mean something more than Japanese since Britain has always been a multiracial society, since the first wave of migrations over 2000 years ago.
It has always had one over-riding culture though and at times where there were more than one there have been wars to establish one. Whilst it has been "multi-racial" it has always been from a small group of European tribes who are all vastly similar in culture.
We have always mixed cultures and genes, we have just got to the point where we have more diverse genes beings mixed.
At what time was the UK as diverse as it is now? At what point were there so many diverse cultures or races? You only need to go back to the 50's to see an entirely different Britain and a Britain that had been largely unchanged for 1000 years.
Which is a a good thing because a wider amalgamation of genes strengthens the gene pool. Culture is a transient social program that is ever changing and something you cannot stop.
Culture is a slow moving social program that evolves under its own steam, it is not something that has ever taken well to having forced changes thrust upon it by completely alien cultures. At any other time in history alien cultures would have been violently destroyed in the UK.
Sadly the BNP just fear this change and the people who are different, so they want to close our borders and send back non-white people to their races place of origin. They fear the Islamification on this country, which is a threat that has been blown out of all proportion.
Would you wish to live under a Islamic government? I thought you wanted seperation of state and religion. Can you think of any "muslim" countries where state and religion are seperated? Why do you describe someone not wanting change forced upon them as being "afraid"? Why can't someone simply not want change? Why does it have to be described as a "fear"? By what you have previously said you do not want religion to control the state. Yet you would not necesarily describe yourself as having an irrational fear of religion would you? You assume that your reasons are valid and intelligent and reasoned. Why would you not afford the same to someone who has different opinions to you?
If you went back 100 years the British Empire still controlled large parts of the world, were people born in the colonies not part of that?
I don' know but I would guess that a man of indian origin born in India whilst under British rule was a subject of British rule but not a British citizen. In other words he was subject to obeying British laws but had no say whatsoever in what Britain did.
People have not forgotten the difference between race and citizenship, it's just most people realise that race shouldn't effect how you regard someone.
Race on its own should not but very often culture is determined by race. I see no logical reason not to consider someone's culture when assessing them. After all has Shaid Malik not just said that the reason that he has no receipts is because of norms within the Muslim community.....
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'"
Nothing wrong with that sentiment at all.
Sadly there are elements in the BNP that still believe in the superiority of the White race.
I believe that you are right and that there are elements within the BNP that put it all down to skin colour. I think that there are also elements in the BNP that don't and who simply oppose forced cultural change.
 
You mean like Christianity did?

I do yes. Should we allow that to happen again? I think Christianity has been put back in its box, it certainly is not a "crime" to disagree with the Church for example. Would you be in favour of another religion having the power over this country that the Church once had?
 
Do they plan on controlling immigration from within the EU? No.

Do they plan on stopping the spread of 'multiculturalism'? No.

Only the BNP would do this.


They do plan to control immigration within the EU, and current immigration rules do control immigration within the EU.

Do we need to stop multiculturalism? No. We should be increasing multiculturalism to improve inter-racial relations!

So only the BNP is the party not to vote for. Fine.
 
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