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What a stupid, unfounded assumption. Of course you know what he can and can't see from your comfortable chair. Easy to judge when you're not involved isn't it.
Probably why I won't ride a crotch rocket
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What a stupid, unfounded assumption. Of course you know what he can and can't see from your comfortable chair. Easy to judge when you're not involved isn't it.
See my last post.
even ignoring that you should know roughly where blind spots are around a car and when the bike is hidden behind other traffic.
I think what a lot of people need to realize is there is no law about a bike being in a 'blind spot' before a overtake, if he is and gets clobbered on overtake it's still in eyes of law not his fault, it's the car driver.
IMO a 'blind spot' is an excuse used by car drivers to explain away their lack of observational skills...
(when driving a car I swing head round and look behind me, not rely on just a mirror, prolly dangerous in other ways, but it's same as I do on a bike)
From a point of view of staying alive it is his fault though, plus his excess speed... make sure cars see you before you overtake is the key. Never just pin throttle and pass a row of slow moving traffic on open road, it's a accident waiting to happen.
The accident I think brings home how easy it is, even at lowish speeds to lose your life...quite sobering
IMO a 'blind spot' is an excuse used by car drivers to explain away their lack of observational skills...
(when driving a car I swing head round and look behind me, not rely on just a mirror, prolly dangerous in other ways, but it's same as I do on a bike)From a point of view of staying alive it is his fault though, plus his excess speed... make sure cars see you before you overtake is the key. Never just pin throttle and pass a row of slow moving traffic on open road, it's a accident waiting to happen.
The accident I think brings home how easy it is, even at lowish speeds to lose your life...quite sobering
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not so straight forward. An overtake is an at own risk manoeuvre and as such is much more complicated. It also doesn't apply when a biker is doing stupid speeds as can be shown by this case. the law agrees the car driver was not at fault.
IMO a 'blind spot' is an excuse used by car drivers to explain away their lack of observational skills...
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it's perfectly reasonable he could have followed every observational rule to higher than highway code standard and still not of seen him.
In a car or on a bike. You have to know what people in front can and can't see and take it into account when trying to do such manoeuvres.
fair point, best to assume everyone on road hasn't seen you.. safest way
The modern tests are all about anticipation of hazards becasue without hazards, driving would be a doddle.
Dangerous overtake IMO from both the biker and the car.
Car driver might not have seen the biker, but your asking for trouble when overtaking traffic on a road thats as narrow as the one in the video.
May he rest in peace, not a nice way to go.
Car driver might not have seen the biker, but your asking for trouble when overtaking traffic on a road thats as narrow as the one in the video.
May he rest in peace, not a nice way to go.
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Agree to a certain degree but the cam biker did vid himself at 170 . And he did get a suspended sentance.
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How was the car driving like a moron?
The car driver overtook on a single lane road with oncoming traffic and plainly didnt check his mirrors properly or at all! EPIC FAIL.
Still inappropriate speeds by the bikers, plain daft.
One day when I still had a 125, it was really really hot, and I was going to go somewhere, can't remember where. And decided to try out going without leathers (but with a bike coat thing/boots), and it just felt so wrong, I rode around the block, and went back to change into leathers.
Shame the guy died, but if he would have been a tad more sensible, he would have had a less fun ride, but alive. To me being alive is a bigger bonus.
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He was clearly indicating and moving out before the biker was close to him, so hardly moronic! The biker shouldnt have gone for the overtake, simple
A) the road is wide enough for a car to overtake.
B) you can not say that. Most of the time the bike was hidden behind traffic.
Your post is epic fail, nothing more.
It was the bikes fault, he put himself in a postion where he had no options and that is bad riding. The fact something coming the other way collected him so quickly tells you (and you can see) it was a risky overtake anyway, which the car pulling out simply amplified.
Still a tragic accident all the same.
Still a tragic accident all the same.
What I think on the matter has already been said many times over, just such a shame to see a fellow biker (albeit one that gives us all a bad name) die so unnecessarily. He left himself with no options at all - bad, bad, bad riding. What a needless waste of life 
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