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I think this thread is evidence enough as to why accidents happen. People have different opinions on what speeds, manouvres and levels of observstion are acceptable. Mix this up on the road and you have yourself a dangerous concoxion.

This all comes back to driver/rider training and how it is monitored and renewed. It doesn't matter how well trained and capable you are, it only takes one moment of ignorance from another road user to cause tragedy and none of us should take this for granted.
 
kippermitten said:
The car driver overtook on a single lane road with oncoming traffic and plainly didnt check his mirrors properly or at all! EPIC FAIL.
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Nonsense, when the car began overtaking, the biker was still behind the car behind him. It's absurd to suggest that the car driver should either have seen him and not made the overtake or was in any way at fault. The car driver also had room to overtake without entering the other lane, so while it might have been slightly on the tight side it certainly wasn't a dangerous move.

100% the bikers fault.
 
I can't be the only human being able to spot bikers an absolute mile off let alone hear them coming and promptly give them room?
 
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AcidHell2 said:
A) the road is wide enough for a car to overtake.**if there was nothing comming the other way**
B) you can not say that. Most of the time the bike was hidden behind traffic. ** he wast behind other traffic for more than a few seconds if that . I would have seen him but i watch for stuff like this **

Your post is epic , nothing more.
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Better?

Persil
 
jaybee said:
I can't be the only human being able to sport bikers an absolute mile off let alone hear them coming and promptly give them room?
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of course not. But that depends on where the rider is, what road you are on and what other vehicles about as well as speed and closing speed.
 
jaybee said:
You're mad. Are you suggesting it's ok to drive like that?
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It seems to me (and others going from some of the comments) that he indicated and pulled out while the bike was still behind him.

Speed was the deciding factor.

Going by the 'anticipation of hazards' comment earlier the rider should have been going slowly enough to avoid the car if/when it indicated and pulled out for the overtake... unfortunately it couldn't.

The driver might have seen him but not necessarily considered the excessive (and illegal) speed that the bike was travelling at.

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Considering your defence is that he was behind other cars before he gets to the target car . In my book he would have been clearly visable . And assuming target car is doing 70 and chase bike shows 86 its not as if he was passing at 150 so only 16-20mph difference .

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You see that other car in front of him , tahts not the car he hit. So he is not visible. clearly in a blind spot.

And no it's comeing of a roundabout speed limit is 60. the car is probably doing 50-60mph and the crash rider is going faster than chase rider so 90-100mph.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
Nope there is clearly enough room for 3 cars side by side. And yes he was behind traffic for all but the last second or two, by which point the car has already started making his manoeuvre, so again a load of rubbish.
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Erm riiiight. So because in theory theres enough room its ok to overtake regardless. IMO that was not a safe overtake regardless of the bikers doings.
Overtaking by crossing a dotted lined area with hatchings should be done with care and a clear road.

Biker should have been riding slower.

Driver should have looked harder.
 
Even so its only 30mph .. Compared to the 60 you mentioned in another post . Any decent observant driver would have noticed?

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Persil said:
Considering your defence is that he was behind other cars before he gets to the target car . In my book he would have been clearly visable . And assuming target car is doing 70 and chase bike shows 86 its not as if he was passing at 150 so only 16-20mph difference.
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70? Those cars aren't doing 70, they're accelerating (fairly slowly, tbh) away from a roundabout into a 60 limit. I reckon the car he crashed into was probably doing 50.
 
Persil said:
Even so its only 30mph .. Compared to the 60 you mentioned in another post . Any decent observant driver would have noticed?

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No, he is still in a blind spot behind another car. The fact that the car driver was not prosecuted. Shows how many laws he broke.

Lovely picture to prove he was in a blnd spot.
 
Persil said:
Even so its only 30mph .. Compared to the 60 you mentioned in another post . Any decent observant driver would have noticed?

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But I can see bikers coming a mile off when they are at top speed (170mph+) let alone 100mph. If anything they are easier to spot quickly due to the difference in speed they are travelling past things. I just don't get how you don't see a bike coming. Obviously I still used to ride with it in mind that I was invisible to car drivers, which sadly this guy did not do.
 
jaybee said:
But I can see bikers coming a mile off when they are at top speed (170mph+) let alone 100mph. If anything they are easier to spot quickly due to the difference in speed they are travelling past things. I just don't get how you don't see a bike coming. Obviously I still used to ride with it in mind that I was invisible to car drivers, which sadly this guy did not do.
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You got x-ray vision have you? how can you spot things that are behind other objects?
 
AcidHell2 said:
No, he is still in a blind spot behind another car. The fact that the car driver was not prosecuted. Shows how many laws he broke.

Lovely picture to prove he was in a blnd spot.
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Well thats the point, we are saying the law does not do justice for people that can't drive cars properly or make logical and safe decisions based on thorough observations.
 
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