The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.

[D.P.]

Ah yes, emigration. Do you think it is a mere coincidence that we have record emigration at the same time we have record immigration? Or could it be that as mass immigration destroys our country, record numbers who can afford to leave in order to live somewhere not suffering the same fate are doing so?

As for destroying our economy if we lose immigrants, not at all. If we had a lower population, yes our GDP would be correspondingly lower but less 'work' would need doing, on account of there being less people in the country. GDP per capita or PPP is the true economic measure of a nation's wealth, not GDP overall because the latter figure doesn't take account of how many people it is shared out between.



He's already said he has never voted for them.

Well, I emigrated to leave people like you behind and live in a more multi-cultural and racially tolerant community, and to experience new cultures, languages, customs, and norms.

I'm a white Briton, although by the BNP definition I have half Austrian heritage (3rd/4th generation) so are not welcome in Britain anyway.

 

[vee70]

You're clearly very good at debate but there's no way I'm going to enter into some of the drawn out discussion, trawling through past posts like I've seen over the last few pages. Frankly I see no need to justify my stance plus I'm at work.

I think that if you are going to pass comment on someone it would be polite to provide some evidence for your views. As of yet I have entered into little or no debate as there is nothing of substance to debate, just opinions and chest beating and no actual content or reasoning that can be debated. Much like your heavily inaccurate and opinionated but substanceless post accusing me of being some sort of white power nationalist.

How about this?
Do you believe yourself to be tolerant of other races living in this country? Forget about economics, I want your emotional point of view.

Emotional point of view? I try to have only rational points of view. I try to treat everyone as an individual. Emotional viewpoints are all that appear to be expressed in this thread, emotional viewpoints that simply don't stand up to any sort of scrutiny and result in childish accusations and very intolerant responses. You've made no effort to understand my posts and have posted a particularly unpleasant summary of me. How tolerant are you?

I never said we need diversity, I said it was a good thing.

So we don't need good things? What is good about it?

The majority of people enjoy living in a society where they can meet people whose life, culture and appearance is different to theirs.

They do? So why do the majority of people do their best to live amongst people who are just like them? Do you have some sort of evidence for your emotional opinion?

Ok, Food is part of that, also music and arts,

So how often do you partake in the music and arts of non european cultures? How much does it become part of your life? Examples to illustrate your point would be so helpful.

but most importantly the friendships and relationships we form with others.

If you treat everyone as individuals and take them as you find them then their "culture" has little to do with it, or do you find foreigners some sort of interesting curiosity?

Economically we need immigration due to a skill shortage and emigration, though I agree that unskilled workers should be restricted.

What percentage of immigration do you think that we need? The figures previously discussed show 50% of all pakistani immigrants are economically inactive, so how do they help the economy?

If the existing ethnic minority population were now to leave this country our economy would collapse.

Why would it?

The suggestion that our economy could incentivise this is preposterous.

Whose suggestion?

Do you support the BNP? Simple question.

Can you read? Simple question......

I alluded that other posters in this thread who voiced support for the BNP lack intelligence. Absolutely I stand by this.

You stand by that and then demonstrate your own prejudice about me and invent things that you think that I stand for and then refuse to show any sort of example.... and you call the BNP supporters thick? LOL.

 

[Sankari]

Well, I emigrated to leave people like you behind and live in a more multi-cultural and racially tolerant community, and to experience new cultures, languages, customs, and norms.

I'm a white Briton, although by the BNP definition I have half Austrian heritage (3rd/4th generation) so are not welcome in Britain anyway.

With half Australian heritage you'd be very welcome by the BNP!

 

[vee70]

Not really. He's simply takes care not to fully articulate his position, because he knows that this makes him harder to pin down (since nobody quite knows what his position is). It also allows him to deflect certain accusations on the basis that they are mistaken assumptions.

So you are suggesting that likwids post was a steaming pile of dung based on nothing but his or her own preconceptions and prejudices?

You are of course correct. I have merely asked those who are expressing very strong (emotional) opinions to explain how they reached their conclusions. I'm not interested in your opinions but in your reasons for holding those opinions - if the reasons exist of course. A lot of people seem to just want to be percieved as being more politically correct and right on than anyone else, they certainly struggle to put any meat on the bones of their opinions. And you know what they say about opinions being like anuses right?

 

[vee70]

With half Australian heritage you'd be very welcome by the BNP!

He said AUSTRIAN, not Australian...... although the BNP might welcome another Austrian into their group

 

[vee70]

Well, I emigrated to leave people like you behind and live in a more multi-cultural and racially tolerant community, and to experience new cultures, languages, customs, and norms.

I'm a white Briton, although by the BNP definition I have half Austrian heritage (3rd/4th generation) so are not welcome in Britain anyway.

Where did you move to?

 

[vee70]

No, I asked if he supported the BNP, not whether he voted for them.

Out of interest would a BNP supporter not vote for the BNP? And what is the difference between supporting the BNP and voting for them? I am not a member of any political party and have never contributed to one financially, nor have I written to one.
I don't understand your use of the term supporter, enlighten me.....

I don't support any sports teams either

 

[vee70]

But by that logic if (not saying it is) the country's majority was chavs, then you would try and endeavour that only chavs are let in?

Is "was chavs" you being ironic?

 

[vee70]

The vast majority of what you've written demonstrates pure intolerance.

spreading hate and intolerance on the internet for the best part of last 24 hours?

Finally one apparently intelligent BNP supporter in this thread - so what are you thinking?

I would very much like you to either apologise or back this up. It is exceptionally aggressive, rude, inaccurate and unfair.

 

[eggyoke]

I'm all for each individual race and culture to expand and grow. This gives the earth diversity, colour and interesting points of view on life.

However I simply cant see why Briton isn't allowed to have that too. Why must Britain be turned into the 'multi-cultural' mess it is today? Why can't Britain be allowed to continue its own culture as it was 40-50+ years ago (I'm not talking politics/economics here, I'm talking culture and British way of life.)

This mass immigration is tearing away at everything Britain was. If the government had asked people 20-30 years ago whether it wanted its way of life destroyed from the inside out by people from all over the world, many from under-developed nations, I gurantee you the answer would have been a resounding NO. No one would have wanted to feel like a foreigner in their own country as we do today when we go to certain areas down south.

In 50 years time all the culture and ways of life as I know it will be lost (I'm talking the uniquely British things here, things passed from parents to children and how this grows and develops into their towns and cities through generations.)

A country full of common-sense defying political correctness. A country ruled by the EU with policies like the ridiculous human rights bills we've got to abide by that defies belief.

Many people, including myself, feel threatened and worried about the future of the country. The country our grandfathers fought for and families have worked for all their lives. People today are faced with the decision of choosing between their country and of being labeled a "new-labour-racist" which is what I like to call it. Racism; a word that over the last 10 years seems to have transcended boundaries of common-sense, all from fear of being labeled and called an idiot by new-labor sheep.

Many, many people, I'm talking white indigenous British here (being a British "citizen" is different), are feeling the way I do today. They feel helpless and disillusioned by this "multi-cultural" mess which the government and media keep drilling into us as being fantastic and great. Not one government party that has a semblance of a chance to be in power is offering anything of the sort at addressing their worries.

People are looking to the BNP because they are, quite literally, the only party that has any strength behind them at all too make a protest against the policies new-labor keep creating without asking anyone. People are deciding to vote for that party knowing that it has many racists running it because their is no other option and they feel voting for them is protecting their country and what it was and what it will become.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Out of interest would a BNP supporter not vote for the BNP? And what is the difference between supporting the BNP and voting for them? I am not a member of any political party and have never contributed to one financially, nor have I written to one.
I don't understand your use of the term supporter, enlighten me.....

I don't support any sports teams either

It doesn't automatically follow that because you support the aims of a particular party you will vote for them, for purely pragmatic reasons; they've got no chance of winning in your particular area or they haven't even entered a candidate, the voting system isn't PR and therefore wouldn't recognise that a certain percentage have voted for them except as a footnote, you believe in the overall aims of the party but think they are too immature politically to take charge or that they are not suitable for complete unfettered power etc as a few possible reasons.

 

[Sudden]

Is "was chavs" you being ironic?

Nope. It was me not re-reading what I wrote. Though i'm fairly sure the point I made was clear.

If you prefer, I can re-state it.

"If the majority population of this country (the United Kingdom) consisted of people who who could be termed as 'chavs', by those aware of this term and its meanings and implications, then would you attempt to ensure that the only foreigners allowed to immigrate into the county would be those who could also be termed as 'chavs'?"

Happy?

 

[rypt]

"If the majority population of this country (the United Kingdom) consisted of people who who could be termed as 'chavs', by those aware of this term and its meanings and implications, then would you attempt to ensure that the only foreigners allowed to immigrate into the county would be those who could also be termed as 'chavs'?"

No, I would criminalise being a chav and deport all the chavs to new-Australia

 

[Doohickey]

Do you support the BNP? Simple question.

Can you read? Simple question......

Out of interest would a BNP supporter not vote for the BNP? And what is the difference between supporting the BNP and voting for them? I am not a member of any political party and have never contributed to one financially, nor have I written to one.
I don't understand your use of the term supporter, enlighten me.....

Oh my goodness. If I could sigh any harder, my lungs would turn inside out.

 

[Sudden]

No, I would criminalise being a chav and deport all the chavs to new-Australia

hear hear! lets do that now

 

[SteveOBHave]

No, I would criminalise being a chav and deport all the chavs to new-Australia

I would sign up to that - I'd also criminalise Ugg boots and velour tracksuits.

Where were you planning on having this new Australia?

 

[Chronictank]

What percentage of immigration do you think that we need? The figures previously discussed show 50% of all pakistani immigrants are economically inactive, so how do they help the economy?

You do realise every time you quote that you make yourself look stupid?
50% sounds about right because traditionally their partner stays at home thus doesn't work... There is a big difference between claiming benefits and not working.
From the same page as the graph

Working-age men and women from non-White ethnic groups were generally more likely than those from White groups to be economically inactive, that is, not available for work and/or not actively seeking work. Reasons include being a student, being disabled or looking after the family and home. Within each ethnic group, women were more likely than men to be economically inactive.

If you wanted to show anything of worth you would have quoted benefit statistics, but ofc that doesn't support your views does it

At the end of
August 2001, 4.3 per cent (6,500) of
the migrant workers who registered for
a NI number in 2000-01 were claiming
a key working-age benefit.5 Over half
of those (53 per cent) were in receipt of
Jobseeker’s Allowance, suggesting that
they were actively looking for work. By
comparison, 14 per cent of the total
working-age population in the UK were
claiming a key benefit.

I will leave it to you to find totals for this year as i cant really be bothered to trawl through the files
So 4.3% of the people legally coming into the country claimed benefits, and over half who did claim are beleived to be looking for work..

 

[rypt]

Where were you planning on having this new Australia?

That's a hard one ... I originally thought Falklands; but then I realised that we had a whole war over them so it would be a waste to put chavs there.

So I guess you have to put them on Montserrat - now I know it is a shame to loose a Caribbean British Island .. but this one 39 sq.miles; so it should be able to support a healthy amount of chavs.

 

[vee70]

It doesn't automatically follow that because you support the aims of a particular party you will vote for them, for purely pragmatic reasons; they've got no chance of winning in your particular area or they haven't even entered a candidate, the voting system isn't PR and therefore wouldn't recognise that a certain percentage have voted for them except as a footnote, you believe in the overall aims of the party but think they are too immature politically to take charge or that they are not suitable for complete unfettered power etc as a few possible reasons.

So does that then mean that someone could vote for the BNP despite not agreeing with them on some important policies? How would that sit with those who claim that all BNP voters are "stupid" or "scum"?

If that is what the other poster meant by "supporter" then I am clearly not a supporter of ANY political party....

 

[vee70]

Oh my goodness. If I could sigh any harder, my lungs would turn inside out.

Then by all means try harder