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You do realise every time you quote that you make yourself look stupid?
Oh yes, quoting a statistic makes someone look stupid..... wait will you go on to quote some statistics.... :D
50% sounds about right because traditionally their partner stays at home thus doesn't work... There is a big difference between claiming benefits and not working.
So how do their traditions benefit the UK economy.....
From the same page as the graph

If you wanted to show anything of worth you would have quoted benefit statistics, but ofc that doesn't support your views does it
Read on dear boy, read on. The benefit statistics VERY MUCH support what I posted :D
I will leave it to you to find totals for this year as i cant really be bothered to trawl through the files
So 4.3% of the people legally coming into the country claimed benefits, and over half who did claim are beleived to be looking for work..
LOL. Once again you failed to understand the stats.
 
Oh yes, quoting a statistic makes someone look stupid..... wait will you go on to quote some statistics.... :D
Quoting irrelevant ones do
So how do their traditions benefit the UK economy.....
Everything they buy, road tax etc.. if they own a vehical, all the money they keep in their bank accounts, all the services they use; especially if they have children, fuel bills so on and so forth.
Just because THEY dont work doesn't mean their partner/family doesn't

Read on dear boy, read on. The benefit statistics VERY MUCH support what I posted :D

LOL. Once again you failed to understand the stats.
I couldn't see them before getting bored of trawling through the previous posts, feel free to repost as i would be genuinely interested
 
Everything they buy, road tax etc.. if they own a vehical, all the money they keep in their bank accounts, all the services they use; especially if they have children, fuel bills so on and so forth.
Just because THEY dont work doesn't mean their partner/family doesn't

Just because someone spends money in the economy doesn't mean they are a NET benefit to the country.
 
Just because someone spends money in the economy doesn't mean they are a NET benefit to the country.

Just becuase they dont have a job doesnt mean they aren't benefiting the country

Edit: if you want to pull that card
Provide me PROOF by legitimate sources like National Statistics that immigrants by the BNP definition, so that includes 2nd,3rd, 4th generation and so on have a negative impact on the net benefit to the country
 
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Just becuase they dont have a job doesnt mean they aren't benefiting the country

Edit: if you want to pull that card
Provide me PROOF by legitimate sources like National Statistics that immigrants by the BNP definition, so that includes 2nd,3rd, 4th generation and so on have a negative impact on the net benefit to the country

Immigration is not a benefit to the economy and should be cut, say peers


Immigration should be capped, according to a parliamentary report published today which concludes that record numbers of new immigrants have had “little or no impact” on economic well being.

Some groups, including the low-paid, young people seeking jobs and some ethnic minorities, may have suffered because of competition for work from immigrants willing to accept low wages and poor working conditions.

Today’s report, from the Lords Economic Affairs Committee, whose members include two former Conservative Chancellors of the Exchequer, seeks to undermine the Government’s claim that record levels of immigration have boosted the economy.

It also sets out to demolish a range of arguments in favour of immigration, including the one that foreigners are needed to prevent labour shortages and also to help to support an increasingly ageing population.

The report endorses the Conservative policy of capping immigration by urging ministers to set an “explicit target range” for numbers entering the country. Controversially, it also raises the prospect of cutting the number of partners and other family members allowed to settle in Britain because a relative is already here.

And it suggests that, if the predicted 190,000-a-year net migration rate continues, house prices would be 10 per cent higher in 2028 than they would have been if there was zero net immigration.

Lord Wakeham, the former Conservative Cabinet minister who chaired the Lords inquiry, said: “The argument put forward by the Government that large-scale net immigration brings significant economic benefits for the UK is unconvincing. We have found no evidence to support their position.”

The Government has said that immigrants are boosting the overall economy by £6 billion a year, but the committee said that this was a misleading measure and a better one would be the impact on income per head of the resident population. “On this measure, immigration has had a largely neutral effect on economic wellbeing, with the income of some groups of low-paid workers actually falling,” it said.

It added that the available evidence suggested immigration had had a small negative impact on the lowest-paid workers and a small positive impact on the earnings of hgher-paid workers. “Resident workers whose wages have been adversely affected by immigrations are likely to include a significant proportion of previous immigrants and workers from ethnic minority groups,” the report added.

Lord Layard, an economist and Labour member of the committee, gave warning that Britain would face significant pressure from immigration for years. “We will have a permanent pressure of people to move in our direction. Britain has an extra resource, the English language, for attracting people here. There is no doubt whatever that the pressure will remain for half a century or more,” he said.

The findings of the 82-page report were seized on by the Conservatives and Migrationwatch, the organisation that campaigns against mass immigration. David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, said: “This cross-party committee of distinguished peers has demolished the Government’s case on several fronts. They show unequivocally that the benefits of the current immigration policy to ordinary UK citizens are largely non-existent.”

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, said that the report was a watershed. “A heavyweight committee of Parliament has torn to shreds the Government’s economic case for the massive levels of immigration which they have actively encouraged.

“Having lost their smokescreen of dodgy economic arguments, they now have no alternative but to implement a sharp reduction in numbers. The public will accept nothing less.”

But Neil Carberry, head of employment at the CBI, said: “In the global economy, businesses need a flexible immigration system that allows them to source the skills they need when appropriate UK-born staff cannot be found.”

He said that businesses were daily filling jobs which, without migration, would have been left empty.

Liam Byrne, the Immigration Minister, welcomed the report and insisted it proved that the Government was right to ask the independent Migration Advisory Committee to tell ministers which workers the new Australian-style points system should keep out or let in. He added: “What’s more, our plan for earned citizenship will mean that only those who can speak English, pay taxes and obey Parliament’s law will be able to earn the right to stay.”

The Lords committee comprised five Labour and five Conservative peers, including Lord Lamont of Lerwick and Lord Lawson of Blaby, both former Tory Chancellors, two Liberal Democrats and four crossbenchers.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3656171.ece

You'll reject this as it doesn't fit your preconceived views no doubt.
 
it does not take into account people by the BNP's definition which you are trying to argue,
It's a good start though, keep looking and put the reports together

I will have a read of your link when i get some time
 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3656171.ece

You'll reject this as it doesn't fit your preconceived views no doubt.

No, he'll reject it because it's not what he's asked for.

Provide me PROOF by legitimate sources like National Statistics that immigrants by the BNP definition, so that includes 2nd,3rd, 4th generation and so on have a negative impact on the net benefit to the country

This piece does not do that, it looks at 1st generation immigrants only, and doesn't support repatriation based on race to promote an all/predominately white Britain as being economically beneficial.

I'm in favour of better management of immigration based on economic factors, but that is not what the BNP want (or you want, because you wish to factor in so far undefined 'social benefit' to only let the 'right sort of people' in, a term which you are yet to define).
 
I'm in favour of better management of immigration based on economic factors, but that is not what the BNP want (or you want, because you wish to factor in so far undefined 'social benefit' to only let the 'right sort of people' in, a term which you are yet to define).

Okay my definition of the right people would be those who share our culture, ie. not Muslims or other alien cultures which will not integrate seamlessly into our native British culture. I would also vet people's criminal records etc. - currently we can't stop criminals coming here from the EU, it's against EU law. I would ensure every immigrant had a certain amount of money (eg. the £5k that Evangelion was required to have IIRC) and had a job lined up before coming here. A job that nobody already in Britain was able to fill.
 
I wouldn't go on too much about being a 'net benefit' to the country DD, you're hardly a sterling example.

Okay my definition of the right people would be those who share our culture, ie. not Muslims or other alien cultures which will not integrate seamlessly into our native British culture
So would say, Black Americans be ok?
 
I wouldn't go on too much about being a 'net benefit' to the country DD, you're hardly a sterling example.
Whether I am or I'm not is entirely moot as I am British and have an unalienable right to live here, because this is my country.

So would say, Black Americans be ok?
I would rather we stopped non white immigration because I think it has gone too far already. Perhaps if we hadn't had so many years of it being off the charts, we wouldn't need to be so strict now.
 
Whether I am or I'm not is entirely moot as I am British and have an unalienable right to live here, because this is my country.
Unfortunately.

I would rather we stopped non white immigration because I think it has gone too far already. Perhaps if we hadn't had so many years of it being off the charts, we wouldn't need to be so strict now.
I thought you just said it was all about culture? Why would a black person brought up in a Western environment be any less able to fit in to the UK than a white person brought up in the same environment?
 
Okay my definition of the right people would be those who share our culture, ie. not Muslims or other alien cultures which will not integrate seamlessly into our native British culture. I would also vet people's criminal records etc. - currently we can't stop criminals coming here from the EU, it's against EU law. I would ensure every immigrant had a certain amount of money (eg. the £5k that Evangelion was required to have IIRC) and had a job lined up before coming here. A job that nobody already in Britain was able to fill.

See, most of those are fairly sensible, but the cultural requirement ignores our nations history as a mongrel (in a strictly non-derogatory fashion) state. We have always welcomed and incorporated areas of different cultures into our own for centuries. If you want to go on historical precedents, should we exclude all minority religions from immigrating, including atheism?

I'm also glad to see you've been honest about your desire to stop non-white immigration irrespective of cultural fit.

I'd also change the 'able' to 'willing' in the employment criteria.
 
Unfortunately.
You want to deport people who you don't like or whose views you disagree with? :)

I thought you just said it was all about culture? Why would a black person brought up in a Western environment be any less able to fit in to the UK than a white person brought up in the same environment?
Culturally there is no reason a black person couldn't.
 
Let's be frank, nothing I could possibly say would make you change your mind so why don't we quit now ;)

no, i simply want you to proove me wrong
You seem to think you have solid reasoning behind your opinion, for this i put the assumption that you found some sort of "proof" that on the whole validated your opinon
I simply want you to provide me with that proof so i can judge for myself
 
See, most of those are fairly sensible, but the cultural requirement ignores our nations history as a mongrel (in a strictly non-derogatory fashion) state. We have always welcomed and incorporated areas of different cultures into our own for centuries. If you want to go on historical precedents, should we exclude all minority religions from immigrating, including atheism?

I'm also glad to see you've been honest about your desire to stop non-white immigration irrespective of cultural fit.

I'd also change the 'able' to 'willing' in the employment criteria.

I deliberately chose the word 'able' because I would introduce very authoritarian policies to force jobless people here to do a job they were 'able' to do, whether they wanted to or not. The BNP would get tough on benefit scroungers in a way the main parties have shown themselves unable or unwilling to do.
 
You want to deport people who you don't like or whose views you disagree with? :)
No, just you.

Okay my definition of the right people would be those who share our culture, ie. not Muslims or other alien cultures which will not integrate seamlessly into our native British culture
Culturally there is no reason a black person couldn't.
I would rather we stopped non white immigration because I think it has gone too far already.
Riiight.

Is a black person the 'right sort of person' or not?
 
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