No, racism is not illegal. Racist speech, racist policies, racial discrimination and racist language are all illegal. But it is not illegal to be a racist. If it was, you'd have to lock up 75% of Dagenham's entire population.
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No, racism is not illegal. Racist speech, racist policies, racial discrimination and racist language are all illegal. But it is not illegal to be a racist. If it was, you'd have to lock up 75% of Dagenham's entire population.
A lot of posters in this thread are under the assumption that when you vote for a particular party you ABSOLUTELY agree with all the policies of that party.
That isn't how it works. People chose the party that is the BEST FIT for their concerns. If your concern is less state meddling, enabling the public to chose how to spend their money then you would vote Conservative. You may not even like Cameron, or his shadow cabinet, you may not even like his manifesto, but the alternative is Labour who by its nature means more state control of your life.
By voting Conservative does mean you agree with everything they plan. Just that they are the BEST FIT for your immediate CONCERNS.
Some people may, and do, live in areas with a high immigrant population, where a majority of those are here illegally and god knows what kind of past they have. Now the BNP is the only party to offer a solution. You are worried about your area and the Labour party seems to offer no solution, or offers rhetoric. How is wrong for that person to vote for the BNP?
Why is it right to claim those people who vote BNP are racist? When all they are doing is offering the BEST FIT for those immediate CONCERNS for the people of that area. They probably don't agree with the remainder of the BNP's manifesto any more than your average Labour/Con/LibDem voters agrees absolutely with everything in their parties manifesto.
That isn't how it works. People chose the party that is the BEST FIT for their concerns. If your concern is less state meddling, enabling the public to chose how to spend their money then you would vote Conservative. You may not even like Cameron, or his shadow cabinet, you may not even like his manifesto, but the alternative is Labour who by its nature means more state control of your life.
By voting Conservative does mean you agree with everything they plan. Just that they are the BEST FIT for your immediate CONCERNS.
Some people may, and do, live in areas with a high immigrant population, where a majority of those are here illegally and god knows what kind of past they have. Now the BNP is the only party to offer a solution. You are worried about your area and the Labour party seems to offer no solution, or offers rhetoric. How is wrong for that person to vote for the BNP?
Why is it right to claim those people who vote BNP are racist? When all they are doing is offering the BEST FIT for those immediate CONCERNS for the people of that area. They probably don't agree with the remainder of the BNP's manifesto any more than your average Labour/Con/LibDem voters agrees absolutely with everything in their parties manifesto.
You believe that? Ha ha ha. Then why can you be put in prison for committing racist acts?
See page 120 of this paper, that explains the sentencing and types of racist crimes and explain to me again that racism is not illegal.
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors244.pdf
You may also wish to look at the race relations act, 1965 and 1976, and the following amendments in 1995.
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If I agree with the above then you have to accept the BNP are not racist, otherwise they would be committing illegal acts and thus would be in prison. Which is what I was saying, they are not in prison and thus the BNP is not a racist party.
Good post and it is exactly true about Labour.
I have never in all my life been more concerned for my country as I am today under the current government. But what I've found most astonishing of all is as I mention above, the amount of fear that is surrounding people for voting for a 100% legal political party.
This thread is an absolute example of this. Most of the 100+ pages of this thread are people jumping on others simply because they voted for a democratic party they dont agree with. It is mass hysteria drilled into them by the media and new-labour government.
Now imagine the amount of voters who would, by making their own choices based on their own views, choose to vote for the BNP if it wasn't for fear of being labeled and criticized and in many cases, physically harmed.
I'm against racists and extremists on both the far right AND left, but I'm just as much against the idiots in this country and who have been posting in this thread because others don't hold their views as they want them too. Its mind boggling and ridiculous the lack of intelligence and tolerance people have shown over this recent election.
How would you know they are racist though, if you don't have any external evidence of such a belief? Sounds very much like the thought police in action. Very Orwellian. Pretty much sums up some of the posters views on this thread, they are acting like the thought police. Oh, you voted for the BNP, you are racist. The BNP are racist. Got any proof? Not really, I just think they are....
Here is another example of Labours duplicity. Remember the pigs in Animal farm?
The Post office was investigating that some of its postmen were refusing to deliver BNP literature. The Unions had introduced a clause where their postmen were able to refuse to deliver mail they had serious objections against.
Yet the Labour party introduced a law forbidding this kind of action. Where they forced the Catholic church to allow adoption of children in its homes to gay couples, despite the protests of the church.
So its ok for a postman to refuse to deliver a BNP leaflet because they don't agree with it, but the church has to allow children in its care to be adopted by gay couples despite it being against everything they believe in.
Some minorities are more equal than others I guess.
The Post office was investigating that some of its postmen were refusing to deliver BNP literature. The Unions had introduced a clause where their postmen were able to refuse to deliver mail they had serious objections against.
Yet the Labour party introduced a law forbidding this kind of action. Where they forced the Catholic church to allow adoption of children in its homes to gay couples, despite the protests of the church.
So its ok for a postman to refuse to deliver a BNP leaflet because they don't agree with it, but the church has to allow children in its care to be adopted by gay couples despite it being against everything they believe in.
Some minorities are more equal than others I guess.
Just how naive are you? Have you read about the history of the BNP? The history of its leaders?
They may be putting out a thin veneer of respectability now but they are still the same people who have a seriously shady history of words and actions.
Using the examples I have given, the Labour party has given the finger to White Men in the workplace, the Catholic Church and those in towns with a high illegal immigrant problem. Then they have the tenacity to claim "it is a sad day for democracy" because the BNP got a couple of seats. Actually it shows democracy in action. The labour party don't truly believe in "democracy". That is the nature of the left, especially the "far" left.
They know what is best for us.
They know what is best for us.
There are quite a few ex marxists in the labour cabinent, does this make the Labour party communists?
And who would have thought an ex marxist abusing the expenses claim to feather his own nest, flipping houses often to maximise the amount of money he could claim.
No, you're still not getting it. The BNP is racist in its ideology and in its policies. But until its members actually commit a racist act, they can't be prosecuted.
Oh where to start...
No, Racism and being racist are not generally illegal. Inciting racial hatred is illegal (a charge Nick Griffin has been found guilty of 1998), and racial discrimination is illegal in some specific circumstances (specifically employment, although there are other examples) but you can be as racist as you want, just consider that freedom of speech is not freedom from consquence from anyone other than the state.
I have never (and indeed do not) support the actions of UAF or searchlight when they use violence, or indeed when they try to prevent the BNP from speaking. It's important to let the BNP speak, it shows their flaws, and it's also important that others fill in the gaps in the BNP's policies that they try to hide.
The BNP is racist (see their party constitution), and given that there are alternative anti-immigration parties whose policies do not discrimate on race, it's a fair assumption to make that those who vote and support the BNP are either racist or ignorant. Both the BNP and groups like the UAF support authoritarian agendas, they differ on what those agendas are, I oppose authoritariasm in all it's forms.
Indeed, the party is legal, because racism is legal, your argument starts with a flawed assumption and fails from there.
They didn't get into power at all, they got seats because Labour's vote collapsed, not because more people turned to them (the actual vote numbers were lower). As for people being attacked for voting for them, voting is an anonymous process, how would anyone know?
So far, you've done rather badly in presenting anything approaching the facts or the reality of the situation. And again, please find any post where I have supported violence against the BNP? There's a 'BNP member hit with a hammer' thread in SC, perhaps start there?
I'm sorry, but this is just a big old pile of crap, because I have never supported violent action against the BNP. Your argument is poor because it's based on flawed assumptions and a lack of understanding.
No, Racism and being racist are not generally illegal. Inciting racial hatred is illegal (a charge Nick Griffin has been found guilty of 1998), and racial discrimination is illegal in some specific circumstances (specifically employment, although there are other examples) but you can be as racist as you want, just consider that freedom of speech is not freedom from consquence from anyone other than the state.
I have never (and indeed do not) support the actions of UAF or searchlight when they use violence, or indeed when they try to prevent the BNP from speaking. It's important to let the BNP speak, it shows their flaws, and it's also important that others fill in the gaps in the BNP's policies that they try to hide.
The BNP is racist (see their party constitution), and given that there are alternative anti-immigration parties whose policies do not discrimate on race, it's a fair assumption to make that those who vote and support the BNP are either racist or ignorant. Both the BNP and groups like the UAF support authoritarian agendas, they differ on what those agendas are, I oppose authoritariasm in all it's forms.
Indeed, the party is legal, because racism is legal, your argument starts with a flawed assumption and fails from there.
They didn't get into power at all, they got seats because Labour's vote collapsed, not because more people turned to them (the actual vote numbers were lower). As for people being attacked for voting for them, voting is an anonymous process, how would anyone know?
So far, you've done rather badly in presenting anything approaching the facts or the reality of the situation. And again, please find any post where I have supported violence against the BNP? There's a 'BNP member hit with a hammer' thread in SC, perhaps start there?
I'm sorry, but this is just a big old pile of crap, because I have never supported violent action against the BNP. Your argument is poor because it's based on flawed assumptions and a lack of understanding.
There are plenty of parties who claim to offer solutions to excess immigration and other issues that the BNP are keen on. None of which are led by a holocaust denier who's blatantly racist. As I've already mentioned, I see this as too much of a character flaw to ignore, even if I do agree with some of their ideas.
You believe that? Ha ha ha. Then why can you be put in prison for committing racist acts?
See page 120 of this paper, that explains the sentencing and types of racist crimes and explain to me again that racism is not illegal.
www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors244.pdf
You may also wish to look at the race relations act, 1965 and 1976, and the following amendments in 1995.
Committing a "racist crime" is not the same as being a racist. I don't care much what people think, as long as it doesn't affect the way they act towards others in the real world.
man theres so many white racists on this forum, no singling out intended but its true. im asian and proud, our population is more than white people. immigrants should leave whether they are black/white/asian whatever, but DAAAAANG its like people are afraid of Islam taking over 
man theres so many white racists on this forum, no singling out intended but its true. im asian and proud, our population is more than white people. immigrants should leave whether they are black/white/asian whatever, but DAAAAANG its like people are afraid of Islam taking over
wut?
im not trolling im stating facts mod. u may not want to admit it, but there are a lot of white racists on this forum, sorry, or might it damage some forum rep? i think the steady 600 with carry on
don't worry.