Scotland take control of own taxes?

How about just make scotland responsible for it's own finances, both raising and spending?
 
Dolph said:
How about just make scotland responsible for it's own finances, both raising and spending?
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Bad idea, I live here and I'd bloomin well hate it. Although if the tories get in it won't happen, so that's a good thing. However the flip side is that a tory victory will strengthen the SNP and that road only leads to independence :(

I honestly don't think many Scots or English folks have really thought what independence would mean for both nations, England would be losing access to a huge amount of land, would struggle to justify any oil revenues and would have to re-site it's nuclear subs south of the border. England recieves most of the immigrants from the EU and frankly it's filling up rather fast!

Scots would lose the support of England and Wales, we'd be an insignificant voice in the world and frankly, be rather pointless unless you want to come to countryside that looks a bit like Ireland but without Guiness and somewhat like Canada, but not as good. Don't get me wrong, I love Scotland, but I'm being more realistic than most ;)

Sure everyone would have benefits, but I genuinely don't see the point. Scottish politicians can't even build their own parliament without messing it up, I don't trust them to organise the finances of the entirely country. :D
 
Kami said:
Bad idea, I live here and I'd bloomin well hate it. Although if the tories get in it won't happen, so that's a good thing. However the flip side is that a tory victory will strengthen the SNP and that road only leads to independence :(

I honestly don't think many Scots or English folks have really thought what independence would mean for both nations, England would be losing access to a huge amount of land, would struggle to justify any oil revenues and would have to re-site it's nuclear subs south of the border. England recieves most of the immigrants from the EU and frankly it's filling up rather fast!

Scots would lose the support of England and Wales, we'd be an insignificant voice in the world and frankly, be rather pointless unless you want to come to countryside that looks a bit like Ireland but without Guiness and somewhat like Canada, but not as good. Don't get me wrong, I love Scotland, but I'm being more realistic than most ;)

Sure everyone would have benefits, but I genuinely don't see the point. Scottish politicians can't even build their own parliament without messing it up, I don't trust them to organise the finances of the entirely country. :D
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Largely, I agree with you. However, if you have responsibility for spending money, you should have responsibility for raising the money you are spending from the people who it is being spent on.

From the english point of view, moving the subs isn't a problem (there is already the capacity and facilities in Plymouth to take them), the land isn't that much of a problem, and the extra jobs from taking back the public services currently sited in Scotland would be a big jobs boost. I'm not convinced that losing north sea oil revenue would be that significant, especially as we'd get to hand RBS and all it's debts back to scotland...
 
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Dolph said:
If you get the debt you get the shares, it's only fair.
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Excellent, I reckon Pa Broon has got the banks over a barrel and will prove a real cash cow in the coming years. Northern Rock has almost paid it's debt off already, the TSB paid back £2.3b the other day. Could prove a nice little earner.

Personally I think this is just a fudge in the current set up.
 
Kami said:
Bad idea, I live here and I'd bloomin well hate it. Although if the tories get in it won't happen, so that's a good thing. However the flip side is that a tory victory will strengthen the SNP and that road only leads to independence :(
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Nice to know we are screwed ethier way :(



This is why i hate scottish politics, i feel i just cant win.
 
XPE said:
Nice to know we are screwed ethier way :(



This is why i hate scottish politics, i feel i just cant win.
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Know the feeling mate, I'm honeymooning in Canada later this year, might be more than a sightseeing trip :D Wife to be has already hinted that if Scotland left the UK she's be keen to leave the UK as she's English, I'm Scottish so we'd be welcome in neither once nationalism kicks in properly after independence. The abuse she gets now is bad enough from moronic Scots.
 
Jokester said:
Excellent, I reckon Pa Broon has got the banks over a barrel and will prove a real cash cow in the coming years. Northern Rock has almost paid it's debt off already, the TSB paid back £5b the other day. Could prove a nice little earner.

Personally I think this is just a fudge in the current set up.
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Don't forget you take on all the bad assets and liabilities involved with taking RBS into private ownership.

You've got £20bn of new capital to cover, plus the £325bn in the asset insurance scheme from RBS...

I think that amount of risk will put a significant strain on the Scottish credit line. Hell, it's put a signifcant strain on the UK as a whole, being a significant contributor to getting the credit outlook downgraded for the first time.
 
Dolph said:
Don't forget you take on all the bad assets and liabilities involved with taking RBS into private ownership.

You've got £20bn of new capital to cover, plus the £325bn in the asset insurance scheme from RBS...
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That only comes to fruition though if there's a complete and utter meltdown, which looks increasing like won't come close, if at all, to happening now. Indeed, the governemnt might end up making money out of the fees.
 
in the immortal words of Rab C.

Scotland is like disneyland.

Disney work
Disney want tae work
Disney ******* give a ****


:D
 
Dolph said:
How about just make scotland responsible for it's own finances, both raising and spending?
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I agree, same with Wales. Either have independence or don't.

And we should do the same with Europe. Either go in and control or pull out and just keep free trade. Sitting in the middle is never good.
 
Dolph said:
How about just make scotland responsible for it's own finances, both raising and spending?
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Sounds like a plan to me.

Either complete independence or complete integration. None of this halfway house muck that we have right now, thank you very much.
 
Ross1234 said:
People in this thread clearly need to do a bit of reading and get the facts straight before posting this anti scottish tripe.
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it's the same people who always do it ignore them.



As for making Scotland responsible for it's own finances, would you trust the Scottish labour party with that kind of responsibility, the same people who arnt good enough for the British labour party ?
 
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