Scotland take control of own taxes?

Duff-Man · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:02

Sash said:
Wow, so much anti Scottishness in here

I've got absolutely nothing against Scots. Lovely people.

I just would prefer not to support their free higher education system, and all the other pork-barrel payouts they recieve from westminster. Is that really so unreasonable?

KaHn · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:07

Not so much anti Scot but more so anti double standards, all of the Scottish people think we have been stealing their oil where as it is all the property of the shetland islands which is part of the England.

KaHn

Amp34 · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:08

Kami said:
Bad idea, I live here and I'd bloomin well hate it. Although if the tories get in it won't happen, so that's a good thing. However the flip side is that a tory victory will strengthen the SNP and that road only leads to independence

I honestly don't think many Scots or English folks have really thought what independence would mean for both nations, England would be losing access to a huge amount of land, would struggle to justify any oil revenues and would have to re-site it's nuclear subs south of the border. England recieves most of the immigrants from the EU and frankly it's filling up rather fast!

Scots would lose the support of England and Wales, we'd be an insignificant voice in the world and frankly, be rather pointless unless you want to come to countryside that looks a bit like Ireland but without Guiness and somewhat like Canada, but not as good. Don't get me wrong, I love Scotland, but I'm being more realistic than most

Sure everyone would have benefits, but I genuinely don't see the point. Scottish politicians can't even build their own parliament without messing it up, I don't trust them to organise the finances of the entirely country.

North Sea oil is much more complex than that, in fact very little of the oil (or gas) is actually on Scottish seabed. Almost all of the gas in the British north sea is actually in English waters, and as for the oil, around 90% is actually in Shetland waters, which is not actually part of Scotland.

If there was independence for Scotland the Shetlands (and all their oil) would then have to decide if they wanted to join with Scotland, England or even become independent themselves.

Scotland may have a very big shock if they ever do force independence.

As for the OP, that sounds stupid, so I guess that means any English person (or anyone moving south of the border) could just move north and get a reduced income tax (although that would depend on what other taxes were put in its place)?

eddiemcgarrigle · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:09

Sash said:
Wow, so much anti Scottishness in here

It's the stink of the English superiority complex mate.

I think we need to take the reins and control our little country ourselves and hit the Westminster Government for a bill equating to the total cost of all the oil, gas and electricity that has been shipped down south.

We have plenty of resources left to exploit and are capable of making this country a success in it's own right and finally quash the myth of not being able to govern ourselves successfully.

Amp34 · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:11

eddiemcgarrigle said:
It's the stink of the English superiority complex mate.

I think we need to take the reins and control our little country ourselves and hit the Westminster Government for a bill equating to the total cost of all the oil, gas and electricity that has been shipped down south.

We have plenty of resources left to exploit and are capable of making this country a success in it's own right and finally quash the myth of not being able to govern ourselves successfully.

See my previous post...

I'm sure the English and Shetland governments would be very happy with the windfall from the Scottish nation.

Glaucus · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:12

It's not a superiority complex. It's just double standards. wanting money and wanting independence at the same time. One or the other, not both.

Sash · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:12

KaHn said:
Not so much anti Scot but more so anti double standards, all of the Scottish people think we have been stealing their oil where as it is all the property of the shetland islands which is part of the England.

KaHn

Shetland is English...?

@topic: This would be a nightmare for Financial Services tbh. Not only would we have to know English & Scottish law for property etc we would also need to know the separate tax bands and income tax for each nation. Not a fun prospect.

KaHn · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:13

eddiemcgarrigle said:
It's the stink of the English superiority complex mate.

I think we need to take the reins and control our little country ourselves and hit the Westminster Government for a bill equating to the total cost of all the oil, gas and electricity that has been shipped down south.

We have plenty of resources left to exploit and are capable of making this country a success in it's own right and finally quash the myth of not being able to govern ourselves successfully.

Keep thinking that, look at Aberdeen for example, the council there had billions put into it from oil and gas companies, yet it is in loads of debt at the moment.

KaHn

Amp34 · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:17

Sash said:
Shetland is English...?

@topic: This would be a nightmare for Financial Services tbh. Not only would we have to know English & Scottish law for property etc we would also need to know the separate tax bands and income tax for each nation. Not a fun prospect.

I didn't think it was English (only just read Kahns first post, it sneaked in just before mine

), but it's definately not Scottish!

KaHn · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:17

Sash said:
Shetland is English...?

@topic: This would be a nightmare for Financial Services tbh. Not only would we have to know English & Scottish law for property etc we would also need to know the separate tax bands and income tax for each nation. Not a fun prospect.

Techically it is neither part of Scotland or the UK .

I miss quoted above.

KaHn

KaHn · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:18

http://www.udallaw.com/

KaHn

deadite · 16 Jun 2009 at 13:51

Duff-Man said:
I've got absolutely nothing against Scots. Lovely people.

I just would prefer not to support their free higher education system, and all the other pork-barrel payouts they recieve from westminster. Is that really so unreasonable?

dont know what pork-barrel payouts you refer to..scotland pays more to westminster than it gets back. So we pay more in to the UK than we see back year on year.

Raumarik · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:15

KaHn said:
Techically it is neither part of Scotland or the UK .

I miss quoted above.

KaHn

Technicality that'll never amount to anything mate, it is part of the UK whether they like it or not. The same as England, Scotland and Wales are part of the UK even though there's people in each Nation that argue the point constantly on other forums

Raumarik · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:16

deadite said:
dont know what pork-barrel payouts you refer to..scotland pays more to westminster than it gets back. So we pay more in to the UK than we see back year on year.

I'd be shocked if that were true mate!

Ross1234 · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:20

All you people saying shetland is english... where did you get that bullcrap from. Some shetland people want to join norway rather than stay in the UK.

Shadez · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:21

deadite said:
dont know what pork-barrel payouts you refer to..scotland pays more to westminster than it gets back. So we pay more in to the UK than we see back year on year.

The same is true for any area in the uk, even london pay more than it sees back in a year. This difference goes to pay for things that benifit the entire UK, military, EU, Bank bailouts.......

The facts are that out of the remaining money scotland gets about £1500 more per head to spend.

Ross1234 · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:22

Scotland deserves more per head as we are more important

Shadez · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:26

Ross1234 said:
Scotland deserves more per head as we are more important

Dont agree with the important part but i can understand why they need more money.

The national health bill alone must be massive, just think of all the counselling needed because the male kids are made to wear skirts

The IPB · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:33

If they want to be independent let them do it, I have no problem with Scottish people. But I wouldn't fight to stop them doing this.

jmhduck · 16 Jun 2009 at 14:58

Shadez said:
Dont agree with the important part but i can understand why they need more money.

Yeah because Scotland doesn't have a large economic center like London. I'm all for devolution, I'd rather £34 billion was going into the NHS and English Universities rather than providing cheaper university education and medication for those living in Scotland.