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Stag said:
No purpose? What about furthering of our capitalist empires and stripping natural resources from the invaded countries? ;)

Those wars keep the status quo in check and gives us a few more years of an oil economy. Personally I'd have preferred we'd spent the billions the wars cost on renewable energy, but that's just me. :cool:
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As would the BNP. Check out their comments and policy on peak oil.
 
nice of Nick Griffin to be worried about the wounded...whilst also wanting to deport soldiers who had fought and been wounded for this country because they are not white, soldeirs from the pacific ilsands and the west indies have been awarded medals for gallantry in iraq and afghansitan but because they were not born here they are not good enough to live here it seems
 
Moley said:
Nick Griffin is wrong in this case - prisoners have to pay 50p per week for their televisions.
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Still at the taxpayers' expense isn't it. Unless you know of a way in the outside world to get a roof over your head, free meals, health care and a TV for 50p a week.
 
They pay 50p just for the TV's. As for roof over their head? Ha, I'm sure you're absolutely jumping at the prison gates for a "free roof over your head" or would you rather they were all loose on the streets?
 
Dj_Jestar said:
They pay 50p just for the TV's. As for roof over their head? Ha, I'm sure you're absolutely jumping at the prison gates for a "free roof over your head" or would you rather they were all loose on the streets?
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Okay, how do you rent a TV and pay the TV licence for £26 a year in the outside world? You can't, so it is taxpayer subsidised, as Nick Griffin says.
 
dirtydog said:
Still at the taxpayers' expense isn't it. Unless you know of a way in the outside world to get a roof over your head, free meals, health care and a TV for 50p a week.
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We're not talking about the roof, food and health care - we're talking about the Televisions. Many prisoners will do productive work in the prisons and will be paid a small sum for doing it, the rest have cash sent in from the outside.

As an example, many prisons in-source menial work from local companies for prisoners to do. The tax payer isn't paying the prisoner and therefore isn't paying for his television in this example.
 
dirtydog said:
Okay, how do you rent a TV and pay the TV licence for £26 a year in the outside world? You can't, so it is taxpayer subsidised, as Nick Griffin says.
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The television sets are cheap foreign imports - easily paid for within two years of being bought. Prisons are exempt from paying the license fee - exempt not subsidised.
 
dirtydog said:
Okay, how do you rent a TV and pay the TV licence for £26 a year in the outside world?
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You live in shared accommodation. When i lived in my 11 bedroom student house we were only required to pay one TV licence despite most of us having our own TVs in our rooms. Iirc it worked out as less than a tenner each per year.

Either way, as stated above it's a moot point
 
dirtydog said:
How convenient to ignore those aspects which the prisoner does get for free.
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DD sometimes you can be a complete plonker. This is one of those cases.

Losing your freedom and being seperated from your family is a terrible cost on a man - a prison cell and terrible food in no way can be measured as being comparable in value.

I am a higher rate taxpayer who make his contribution to society (bet I've paid more into the system that you for example) and have also in the past been on the wrong side of the prison fence. You have no experience of prison life so are totally unqualified to comment.
 
dirtydog said:
Okay, how do you rent a TV and pay the TV licence for £26 a year in the outside world? You can't, so it is taxpayer subsidised, as Nick Griffin says.
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You can hire 14" TV's for less than 50p per week. Cell mates that are fortunate enough to have a cell in their room are shared with one or more cell mates.

Most are communal TV's in the rec area.

Prisons are exempt from TV License; so no tax payer money used to pay it.
 
dirtydog said:
As would the BNP. Check out their comments and policy on peak oil.
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Didn't fancy responding to the 2nd part of my post then?

I've only seen them pay lip service to renewable energy, the same as any politician from most of the other parties. They basically say "we'll invest in x" but not actually expanding on any plans.

I could draw up a manifesto that was more worthy than theirs in about an hour, one that wasn't completely in a fantasy land of infinite money with no economic or social viability.

What policies do the BNP propose that have you so convinced they are the answer DD?
 
Moley said:
Losing your freedom and being seperated from your family is a terrible cost on a man - a prison cell and terrible food in no way can be measured as being comparable in value.
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Well cry me a River...
They should be made to clean the roads and the foot paths
they are a bunch of lazy thieving low lifes.
 
Moley said:
DD sometimes you can be a complete plonker. This is one of those cases.

Losing your freedom and being seperated from your family is a terrible cost on a man - a prison cell and terrible food in no way can be measured as being comparable in value.

I am a higher rate taxpayer who make his contribution to society (bet I've paid more into the system that you for example) and have also in the past been on the wrong side of the prison fence. You have no experience of prison life so are totally unqualified to comment.
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I don't get you mate. If you are in prison then miscarriages of justice notwithstanding, you deserve to be there. It isn't supposed to be a picnic is it. I am quite sure it is a horrible experience especially for someone who isn't a career criminal - I know you have been inside for motoring offences yourself.
 
No, there is no charge = no payment = no subsidy. You cannot subsidise that which is not charged.

"Non sequitur" .. do you even know the meaning of this phrase? You seem to use it inappropriately, yet ironically in your own posts that do not make sense themselves.. how can something include that which does not exist? Prisons are exempt from TV license fees. Therefore, how can they subsidise the fee?! :confused:
 
Dj_Jestar said:
No, there is no charge = no payment = no subsidy. You cannot subsidise that which is not charged.

"Non sequitur" .. do you even know the meaning of this phrase? You seem to use it inappropriately, yet ironically in your own posts that do not make sense themselves.. how can something include that which does not exist? Prisons are exempt from TV license fees. Therefore, how can they subsidise the fee?! :confused:
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Not too complicated I would have thought. The BBC is funded from the licence fee. By definition, if someone is exempt from paying it then the exemption is subsidised by those who do pay it. Is this really hard to understand for you? :)
 
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