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Bloody hell, is this thread still going ?
The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.
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Sadly not.
this is a real struggle to answer on my iPhone so bear with me.
Let's get past the red herrings and get back to the original point as it may make this part of the thread easier. Nick griffin said that prisoners tv's are subsidized by the taxpayer, he said nothing about the license fee so that isn't really relevant to this discussion as I am pointing out an error in what he said - not what he didn't say.
As I have already pointed out prisoners pay for the televisions out of their own funds - either earned or sent in to prison. So Nick is wrong in his assertion that they are subsidized by the taxpayer. He is correct that the people in the hospital shouldn't have to pay, but I'd isn't legitimate to compare either the people or their locations as they are poles apart in the freedoms and resources available to them on a daily basis.
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I like how you've taken that, and tried to turn it around. Really works well.
The prisoner isn't exactly living the life of riley in prison, we send them there and they can't exactly pay for their own accomodation can they?
The TV is a "perk" (like various other little things we, on the outside take for granted) that they can "earn" depending on things like behaviour.
It's basically a carrot for good behaviour, with the stick being that if they don't behave they get stuck with even less in prison, and potentially a much longer time inside.
I don't know anyone except the seriously mentally ill who actually want to spend time in prison, even if it does mean they get TV, accomodation and food for 50p a week (although the sun holidays still seem popular
).
The prisoner isn't exactly living the life of riley in prison, we send them there and they can't exactly pay for their own accomodation can they?
Well yes they can, they can clean the roads/footpaths make the parks
cleaner and better and pick up all the litter off the streets.
There are loads of thing they could do.
How much do you think it would cost to organise that, including security and everything?
Shame about all the street cleaners you will do out of a job...
Yes, because what Britain needs right now is for the overcrowded and understaffed prison population to be turned out into the streets to pick up litter. But I am guessing the BNP could snap their white fingers to magic the squillions of pounds required to sort that mess out AMIRITE?
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Yeah, but they're all immigrants so they would only be sent home anyway.. they've thought of everything, you see
Yeah, but they're all immigrants so they would only be sent home anyway.. they've thought of everything, you see
Ah but what happens when they make their white utopia? then there is no prison population because everything is nice and white, so nobody to do the streets again
Then we will need some kind of pro-immigration party, some backwards extremists who think the white race should be destroyed and that we should re-repatriate all the people of the w0rlds who aren't white!!
What a silly thing to say!
they do it in FL everyday in 130f heat thats why most places in FL are clean.
A very considerable amount, given even in the US in remote areas the number of guards (armed) to prisoners for the work gangs they still have is very high - and that's in areas where any escapee is going to have to walk a good distance to have a chance of getting away.
In the UK it'd either lead to Dartmoor having the best maintained 20 lane motorway in the world, or a prison guard to virtually every prisoner (as opposed to the current ratio of something like 10-20 to one), or the rate of prisoner escapes at record highs.
In pasco county the work gangs clean from New Port Richey to the county line Rd HWY19 North.
There is one Truck 2 cops(one driving,one with a gun) and about 10-15 inmates.
They can't run as they have webbing on thier ankles(padded) and if one did try to run they would just fall over.
They mow gardens pick up litter, clean out old houses and lots more.
So thats 2 cops wages for the day and the gas for the truck at $1.90Gal
Not that much is it.
see hwne it comes to crime I'm pretty right wing..which is strange (at least in my mind)
I dont mind who lives here or what colour they are..but if they break the law regardless of colour I would throw the book at them...and I would like to see prisons as victorian hellholes where people live in their own filth.
screw rehabilitation, make it punishment all the way! if you cannot abide by societies rules then you dont deserve the rights and privelidges that society offers you,you should forfeit those rights as part of your punishment
I dont mind who lives here or what colour they are..but if they break the law regardless of colour I would throw the book at them...and I would like to see prisons as victorian hellholes where people live in their own filth.
screw rehabilitation, make it punishment all the way! if you cannot abide by societies rules then you dont deserve the rights and privelidges that society offers you,you should forfeit those rights as part of your punishment
this is true..but as a victim of crime I have a slightly screwed view..I think it has made me more cruel and less tolerant of criminals
an eye for an eye
and like I said generally I'm pretty easy going with most things..just not in this case
Criminals are not human? Do they not deserve a second chance that rehabilitation offers? Surely if you have so much faith in our criminal justice system you believe that after someone has done their time they should be able to rejoin society as a citizen?
Personally I don't think the system currently works that well as we have quite a high recidivism rate but to make them live in a "hellhole" would turn prisons into psychotic training camps (if they aren't enough of that already).
I've been the victim of serious crime myself as have several members of my family - made me intolerant for a while but then I realised that was just me being biased. Never at any time did I think that a return to Victorian style prisons was the answer because what would that achieve? People would finish their sentences and come out worse that when they went in. Prison is supposed to teach people the error of their ways so they can return to society as better people and able to contribute to rather than damage society. We should be aiming to improve the system and give it more resources so it can achieve that goal, rather than denigrating it and taking away resources so it becomes worse.