Wage Increases

[Muffin`]

The scenario with my company is that they only discuss wage increases in the June-August months, random each year. I've not been given one this year after quite frankly working my arse off, pulling mental hours and having little free time during the week.

How would you approach this with your boss?

I'm going to prepare a much more in depth job description and would a list of scenarios where I've gone above and beyond my duties help matters, maybe to write formally and hand it to him or to reference form in a discussion?

I'm well aware of the state of the economy but the company is not affected by it as you would imagine, infact its not stopped growing in the last 18 months.

any imput appreciated

 

[Nix]

Put it into writing.

 

[No1newts]

Put it into writing.

With the scenarios etc that show what yo have done in the last year, I was always on for a pay rise this year but it was substantially more than I thought it would be and I did that.

 

[dannyjo22]

Yes all you can do is write it down and give an account of what you have done to deserve it. Failing that your stuffed until you hand your notice in and call their bluff

Prepare yourself for loads of posts on how your lucky to have a job blah blah

 

[Muffin`]

Yes all you can do is write it down and give an account of what you have done to deserve it. Failing that your stuffed until you hand your notice in and call their bluff

Prepare yourself for loads of posts on how your lucky to have a job blah blah

Exactly, I've not taken any hoildays this year as I've always been busy, same thing last year I didnt take bout 3 weeks worth because i was so busy (I was payed for this, but not even at my wage). So that will come in handy should I had my months notice and can take most of it off on holiday, or easing into another job

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

If you genuinely believe you are good enough for a raise, put it in writing.
Hopefully you have a boss who has realised your efforts.

 

[Swifty55]

Yet another, "I deserve a pay rise" thread.

 

[Muffin`]

If you genuinely believe you are good enough for a raise, put it in writing.
Hopefully you have a boss who has realised your efforts.

I think he does and is a director of the company now, but I doubt he has the punch or even sits in on wage reviews, but before the management buyout a couple of months back only two people decided wages.

 

[Muffin`]

Yet another, "I deserve a pay rise" thread.

I take it there's no such thing as wage increases for Scaffolders?

 

[Duke]

Can only echo what your original thoughts are - bung all the positive stuff into a mini report. Hand it in & try to arrange a time to sit down and go through it in private.

 

[KaHn]

I went to my managing director that my contrat states 6monthly pay reviews and he said ok I will sort it by the end of July.

KaHn

 

[Rich_L]

If you genuinely feel you deserve a raise and don't get one, work to contract, seek another job. Be prepared to leave, why else would they give you a payrise if they are getting such good value out of you on your current pay

 

[Morba]

have you had a review yet where your work for the year has been talked about and rated?
just because you have worked hard, doesnt mean you have worked well.

also, not taking holidays is just silly imo. you will burn yourself out.
even if its a few long weekends, you should have time off.

 

[Muffin`]

have you had a review yet where your work for the year has been talked about and rated?
just because you have worked hard, doesnt mean you have worked well.

I've worked to the best of my abilities, on the whole saving them a fortune from have a 3rd party doing it and using expertiese to save them thousands here and there on other things. I've done a few cockups but they were esaily rectified with no downtime. But I've also cocked up doing someone elses job when I've been told to, this is where I feel it's let me down, but my boss assuerd me he'd explained it away but I never believd him, 3 days with no phone system = not good.

I've never had any reviews, nor any pay reviews, my boss was always busy. As I',m just one man not really a part of the business modle it's never mattered with the odd way the company deals with it's staff.

also, not taking holidays is just silly imo. you will burn yourself out.
even if its a few long weekends, you should have time off.

I should, I just work one week to the next job after job - sounds like a change would be good but it's nice to try at least, practice makes perfect and all that.

 

[KaHn]

Haha the whole "my boss is very busy" crap, he will basically keep fobbing you off with that because he doesn't wan't to pay you more, I have never had a boss who was too busy to meet an employee.

KaHn

 

[Morba]

I've worked to the best of my abilities, on the whole saving them a fortune from have a 3rd party doing it and using expertiese to save them thousands here and there on other things. I've done a few cockups but they were esaily rectified with no downtime. But I've also cocked up doing someone elses job when I've been told to, this is where I feel it's let me down, but my boss assuerd me he'd explained it away but I never believd him, 3 days with no phone system = not good.

I've never had any reviews, nor any pay reviews, my boss was always busy. As I',m just one man not really a part of the business modle it's never mattered with the odd way the company deals with it's staff.

Killing a phone system for a few days is not good, that could be a big black mark against you

What do you do and are you perm or contract staff?

Saving lots of money is great, can you quantify it? if so, this will be a big help to your cause.

 

[Muffin`]

Killing a phone system for a few days is not good, that could be a big black mark against you

What do you do and are you perm or contract staff?

I;m staff running things 'day to day' and our sites areound the UK which have construction / demolition going on. I've developed SharePoint intranet and were getting ready to launch projects. It's still a mess thorugh lack of funing, over stretched resources is this companys biggest issue, I'm unsure as weather to point it out when I leave or a reason why they see me spending so much time doing to what appears to them, nothing.

Saving lots of money is great, can you quantify it? if so, this will be a big help to your cause.

I hope so, I guess showing the market rate or 3rd party will help, I'm classed as an overhead as I dont fee earn - but I cant as even though I do work for specific projects or cleints theres no IT budget in projects to book to as it should come from the company as part of the service, lose lose.

Haha the whole "my boss is very busy" crap, he will basically keep fobbing you off with that because he doesn't wan't to pay you more, I have never had a boss who was too busy to meet an employee.

KaHn

I still don't think he can increase my wage - it's a wierd comapny structure, theres no IT budget. New PC's get charged to whatever cleint project the person who starts is working on. Even down to our SharePoint license being paid for by a client and a new dc... they're non the wiser

 

[HangTime]

As I',m just one man not really a part of the business modle it's never mattered with the odd way the company deals with it's staff.

I think being part of a small detached/niche department (meaning only 1 or two of you running the show under a manager) can work against you sometimes in that it can be very hard for senior management to understand/appreciate all the work you do, as they have very little to compare it with (relative to say, a sales force, an accounts department, or even contact centre staff). They probably aren't even aware of many of the daily tasks you carry out which may be critical to the running of the business because well, they just get done.

In an old job I had my co-worker and I worked our arses off for under £15k, nobody in the company could do what we did, they tried to outsource it all (at an exorbitant cost in terms of bringing in external consultants to document all the processes, specialist contractor to cover the work as we'd moved on to other positions etc) which fell flat on it's face after 6-12 months, not to mention losing more money, resulting in them bringing it back in house eventually and giving my mate his old job back on higher pay.

Regarding taking holiday in your notice period, not all contracts will permit that. Sometimes a company will choose to make an employee work out their notice period and pay any unused holiday pro-rata, especially if they are 'undervalued' in terms of what their salary is relative to how much it would cost to get someone else to do that job.

As for the company not being affected by the state of the economy, that isn't strictly true when it comes to HR & Recruitment. During a recession they can get away without hiking your pay every year and dishing out huge bonuses, because they know that it will be much harder for you to get a better job elsewhere. Normally that's a threat they have to be wary of for key staff. In theory it should also be easier to recruit a replacement due to competition for jobs too.

One thing that I learnt very quickly in the workplace is that good company performance doesn't always directly translate to good employee remuneration, in some sectors at least.

 

[Muffin`]

Thanks for your great post, you've raised vaild points I need to mull over

 

[Heliospherez]

Exactly, I've not taken any hoildays this year as I've always been busy, same thing last year I didnt take bout 3 weeks worth because i was so busy

Just out of curiousity..... were you really that busy that you couldn't take any holidays or did you just have no reason to take a holiday ? I just find it strange when people say that they never took a holiday when not self-employed and making money for someone else.

Are you sure you wouldn't regret not using your holiday entitlement if the company let you go due to business slacking off a bit ?