I wasn't aware you could kill someone lawfully?!
Murder is premeditated. This was a spur of the moment thing. I do not think he walked into that classroom thinking "I am going to smash a 5kg weight into whoevers head is asking for it".
If the charges aren't dropped....
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I wasn't aware you could kill someone lawfully?!
Murder is premeditated. This was a spur of the moment thing. I do not think he walked into that classroom thinking "I am going to smash a 5kg weight into whoevers head is asking for it".
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Yeah, sorry, that's too disrespectful. I'm going to have to beat you round the head with a large object.
War, peut-etre?
War, peut-etre?
Interesting you missed out the oppurtunity to discuss the meat of my post. Do you really believe he planned this? If so, fine he is guilty of attempted murder.
I don't believe he planned this, do you?
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Sorry, only quickly edited that in. 
Yeah, you're right about the premeditated thing. However, if someone decided to randomly shoot someone in the street and fail to kill them, is that not attempted murder too? (I don't actually know, I'm asking)
Yeah, you're right about the premeditated thing. However, if someone decided to randomly shoot someone in the street and fail to kill them, is that not attempted murder too? (I don't actually know, I'm asking)
Sorry, only quickly edited that in.
Yeah, you're right about the premeditated thing. However, if someone decided to randomly shoot someone in the street and fail to kill them, is that not attempted murder too? (I don't actually know, I'm asking)
I would imagine taking a loaded gun into a public place to be enough to convince a jury it wasn't a spur of the moment thing.
The fact he dragged him off won't exactly work in his favour, neither will shouting out threats. It shows that he was aware of what he was trying to do and had time to think about it.
Had he just punched him or grabbed the weight and hit him there and then I imagine the charge would be a lot less.
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Kid got what was coming to him. If you wana be a lil **** to some one who is trying to educate you so you dont spend your life striving for your 5th star at McDonalds.
When people give **** to the teachers in my lessons i wana **** them one, im trying to listen...dicks.
If you did that to some one in the street they'd kick the living day lights out of you.
When people give **** to the teachers in my lessons i wana **** them one, im trying to listen...dicks.
If you did that to some one in the street they'd kick the living day lights out of you.
only just down the road from me!
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At least the boy attacked by Peter Harvey wont miss any school recovering from his injuries due to the summer holidays. Thats another weight off his mind 
On a more serious note:
It was only a matter of time before something like this happened imo - as has been stated earlier in this thread over the past few years the discipline in the classroom has been sadly deteriorating through no fault of the teacher or the schools. With a distinct lack of support given from parents and the authorities is it any wonder the teaching proffession is struggling to recruit new candidates?
On a more serious note:
It was only a matter of time before something like this happened imo - as has been stated earlier in this thread over the past few years the discipline in the classroom has been sadly deteriorating through no fault of the teacher or the schools. With a distinct lack of support given from parents and the authorities is it any wonder the teaching proffession is struggling to recruit new candidates?
Personaly I think it shows the truly pathetic state of both current education and children in this country.
Now I'm not justifying his actions, he attempted to kill a kid (who was probably a right little **** none the less) and he should be punished fully for it, but if a teacher that some pupils are calling a "legend" can be driven to this, then it proves he was not some nut job every kid hated, and he was forced to breaking point by these "children".
Children are no longer "innocent", and should not be treated as such. If kids can make an adult break down like this, then people seriousely need to look into it.
Now I'm not justifying his actions, he attempted to kill a kid (who was probably a right little **** none the less) and he should be punished fully for it, but if a teacher that some pupils are calling a "legend" can be driven to this, then it proves he was not some nut job every kid hated, and he was forced to breaking point by these "children".
Children are no longer "innocent", and should not be treated as such. If kids can make an adult break down like this, then people seriousely need to look into it.
I feel sorry for him, but he shouldnt have battered the kid to near death. I mean a skull fracture and whatever other injuries - I must admit when I was a kicked I was disciplined physically when I went too far astray and it made me a better man, but I never had to go to hospital because of this, and never was I injured so badly that I had a cut, or even a bruise.
He must have completely lost it to do that. Would be interesting to know EXACTLY what the kid did to flip him out like that.
He must have completely lost it to do that. Would be interesting to know EXACTLY what the kid did to flip him out like that.
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putting someone in hospital by beating them up isnt attempted murder
It's a personal, and interesting subject.
Teaching, is a very stressful and often abusive job. It's not something you'd recommend to the easily offended or people that buckle under pressure.
Society is changing, Children have more rights, in a bad way, You often don't know where you stand with them, they're free (they often get away with it) to abuse you, verbally assault you, and more often then not, physically assault you, throwing stones, kind of anti social behavior.
It's an attitude endemic in the current generation, and isn't going to do well in future life.
I feel sorry for teachers, of which many I know, some have wonderful children and I don't talk or pretend to brush all children with the same paint. Problem classes are awful, but please don't think that a couple of bad classes is what tips teachers, the pressure of the job full stop is what tips them over the edge. Having to put up with **** on a daily basis, having a **** senior management, meeting deadlines, getting children that often aren't capable of a certain achievement to that achievement, and then taking the failure.
Want to know something quite pathetic, several schools I know, won't permanently remove children, who would have been removed a couple of years ago, because they need the money that child provides.
Until, the attitude, and society changes for the good, you'll hear more and more stories about teachers quitting under stress.
I don't support what happened. I however, do understand 100% why people do it. Put yourself in their shoes, how would you of reacted ? would you of reacted quicker to such abusive and stress filled situations, that you face on a daily basis ?
Teaching, is a very stressful and often abusive job. It's not something you'd recommend to the easily offended or people that buckle under pressure.
Society is changing, Children have more rights, in a bad way, You often don't know where you stand with them, they're free (they often get away with it) to abuse you, verbally assault you, and more often then not, physically assault you, throwing stones, kind of anti social behavior.
It's an attitude endemic in the current generation, and isn't going to do well in future life.
I feel sorry for teachers, of which many I know, some have wonderful children and I don't talk or pretend to brush all children with the same paint. Problem classes are awful, but please don't think that a couple of bad classes is what tips teachers, the pressure of the job full stop is what tips them over the edge. Having to put up with **** on a daily basis, having a **** senior management, meeting deadlines, getting children that often aren't capable of a certain achievement to that achievement, and then taking the failure.
Want to know something quite pathetic, several schools I know, won't permanently remove children, who would have been removed a couple of years ago, because they need the money that child provides.
Until, the attitude, and society changes for the good, you'll hear more and more stories about teachers quitting under stress.
I don't support what happened. I however, do understand 100% why people do it. Put yourself in their shoes, how would you of reacted ? would you of reacted quicker to such abusive and stress filled situations, that you face on a daily basis ?
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Yes I would have reacted quicker ... as in the kid would be in hospital much sooner than he is now lol
To be fair, if you have problem students should just send them outside the room and make them stand there.
And then get told off by senior management for failing to control your children?
Would you want to let a "problem" child out in to the corridor unsupervised ?
Would you want to give "problem" children more attention, in an attempt to control them, and sacrifice the education of the other children ?
Would you not rather send the child to work somewhere else ? Then realise that no senior management are willing to allow you to do this ?
Dealing with "problem" children, is a major headache. 90% of teachers, feel like doing what this man did.