If the charges aren't dropped....

Missing.String said:
If it were me, I would feel inclined to hit the headteacher back. I'm not trying to come across as aggressive but I'm really not sure how you can use violence as a form of "education".
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It's not education. It's a punishment.

I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I do know being a teacher is a hard thing and it's becoming harder and harder to keep control of a class.
 
Missing.String said:
Also gotta consider the social implications; many parents would be up in arms about having their children beaten.
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And that, right there, is the biggest problem facing schools today. Some parents seem to take the view that they know better than the school - "oh no, my little darling would never do such a thing, must be someone else". Nope, it was your evil brat and perhaps you need to start imposing some discipline at home too.

It doesn't necessarily take corporal punishment - it needs schools and parents to work together for the good of the child. That's what's missing from today's society.
 
Berserker said:
And that, right there, is the biggest problem facing schools today. Some parents seem to take the view that they know better than the school - "oh no, my little darling would never do such a thing, must be someone else". Nope, it was your evil brat and perhaps you need to start imposing some discipline at home too.

It doesn't necessarily take corporal punishment - it needs schools and parents to work together for the good of the child. That's what's missing from today's society.
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Ahh, finally, some sense is coming out :)
 
but when there corporal punishment you still have a lot of teacher who will do it regardless of what the kids done because they like doing it.


when my mum was in school one teacher used to whack em all with a ruler as they came into cxlass, then whack em for any reason she could during.
 
And that, right there, is the biggest problem facing schools today. Some parents seem to take the view that they know better than the school - "oh no, my little darling would never do such a thing, must be someone else". Nope, it was your evil brat and perhaps you need to start imposing some discipline at home too.

It doesn't necessarily take corporal punishment - it needs schools and parents to work together for the good of the child. That's what's missing from today's society.
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In a country that makes you better off financially for leaving your children in childcare than raising them properly, can't see that changing any time soon. :p
 
It would be interesting to know how old some of the contributors to this debate are. I'm 36, when I was at junior school we had a teacher who would cane bad kids and he would also use it during lessons when things got out of hand by whacking it on his desk. He was fearsome.

He also used to smoke in class!
 
Missing.String said:
If it were me, I would feel inclined to hit the headteacher back. I'm not trying to come across as aggressive but I'm really not sure how you can use violence as a form of "education".

So much for civilisation. :/

Also gotta consider the social implications; many parents would be up in arms about having their children beaten.
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If you hit a teacher then the police would come then you would have been in trouble big time.

And when the stick was used no parents said a word in fact they would back up the teacher and give you another
clout when you got home for embarrassing your mom/dad and family.
And as I have said alreay you would have been expelled from school.
 
To be honest having been through schooling at a time when corporal punishment was available as an option I would rather not see it bought back. Far too easily abused. I would certainly not be in favour of it if it was at the sole discretion of the school.
 
Missing.String said:
That's just disgustingly hypocritical imo.

"Yeah it's fine for us to hit you but you hit us and the police'll be all over you"

Teachers exist to educate people, not physically discipline them.
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No but their job is increasingly involving teaching discipline, because it's not taught at home.
 
I cant add much that hasn't already been said, but Peter Harvey taught me when I was at school.

He was a sound guy and never seemed the sort capable of this. I probably suspect the same reasons for this happening as most other people do, and so find it hard not to feel sorry for him. Working in a FE college I see on a day to day basis the **** that tutors put up with and the scum "students" that comes through the doors. Some people say it's always been this way, well sorry - it hasn't.

I don't hold out any hope for him in a legal sense, I just pray that some sort of investigation takes place which highlights the abuse some teachers get from some students.
 
Missing.String said:
Teachers exist to educate people, not physically discipline them.
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So who does exist to discipline the unruly child? Parents seem to think that they have some sort of innate right to be able to dump their children on the education system 5 days a week and hope that they turn out for the best. Surely the education system then acts as a proxy for the teaching of discipline in lieu of the parent?

On the original topic, I hope that the class involved look back on this time of their lives and feel thoroughly ashamed at the part they played in the incident. The teacher shouldn't have gone so far, but it's clear he was driven over the edge through the actions of the class.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
No, but it does show that you've experienced a different kind of schooling to me that neither of us could fully appreciate each others.
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Or in other words, he is currently experiencing the schooling of today and so you can't fully appreciate what really happens in schools these days.

An interpretation of your own words, of course.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8145486.stm

then I think that all teachers should go on strike.

Teaching, especially senior school with the obnoxious teenagers which seem worse nowadays than they were twenty years ago has to rate as one of the hardest jobs around.

No wonder he was stressed.
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I'm glad he beat that little ****er. One of his ex students was on the radio, and was talking about what a mild manner guy he normaly was. The angriest he would get is that he would slightly raise his voice. The little **** shouldn't have been taunting his teacher. He deserved it. I feel sorry for the teacher, although he shouldn't have done what he did. Tho I guess you HAVE to be out of control of your own actions to do something like that. I hope he gets off lightly.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8145486.stm

then I think that all teachers should go on strike.

Teaching, especially senior school with the obnoxious teenagers which seem worse nowadays than they were twenty years ago has to rate as one of the hardest jobs around.

No wonder he was stressed.
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Not at all.

It is the true measure of a professional to keep his calm.

While corporal punishment has been abolished, liberalism taken root and discipline has fallen sharply I don't advocate half killing someone as teacher - pupil chastisement as the right way forward.
 
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