Not really, im taking the stance that if its more accurate then for my needs it is indeed better.
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Not really, im taking the stance that if its more accurate then for my needs it is indeed better.
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Wow...
Did a controller rape you as a child or something? You seem to have a really strong hatred for them.
Just chill out and enjoy the game I say.
Not really, im taking the stance that if its more accurate then for my needs it is indeed better.
For your needs.
Easier doesn't always necessarily translate to better though does it?
God mode is easier, but i'm damn sure 99% of people wouldn't say it was better, even though it a technical sense it is better, because it lets you win all the time. Would pretty much ruin the game for a lot of people. Similarly some people may find using an 'easy' m/kb setup diminishes their enjoyment of a game, though not to the extreme of ruining it.
'Better' is an entirely subjective thing. Some people may feel that better revolves around having ultimate speed and accuracy, others may prefer the more 'analogue' (not really the right word) experience of a pad which can arguably require more skill to pull off decent plays with.
No one can argue that a mouse/kb isn't technically a faster and more accurate way to aim in an FPS, however that doesn't intrinsically make it better in every sense of the word, those measures may not be the priority to everyone.
edit - incidentally, I don't even own a current console (have a gamecube kicking around somewhere) but I do play on them a fair bit with mates, however the majority of my gaming is done on PC
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Yeah great counterpoints.
Im talking about controllers in fps games, obviously some games NEED controllers as theyre unplayable with anything else.
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I think thats why I prefer the use of a pad in some FPS as it feels more rewarding imo.
You miss the point entirely.
You play the numbers game, many don't. This is the market a lot of console developers are aiming at. As for six months being the 'standard arguement... where was this agreed? I have not upgraded my Terratec soundcard for years. Why? Because it offers much lower latency than the rubbish released by the majority of makers now.
You need to realise that not everybody is simply interested in pushing a massive amount of pixels around the screen. It has, at the end of the day, little bearing on the quality of the game.
But I don't. My point is that games are rendered unplayable on average hardware not because they are much more superior to their console equivalents but because they are, well, craply coded.
There are many variables with PC gaming and to be honest, it is a right PITA keeping up. I lost interest a few years back. It will happen to you as well. You WILL get bored of upgrading and just want a system that will do the job. Consoles do that. They have a place and PCs have their place. It can be an expensive hobby, just one with diminishing appeal.
And the needs of about 99.9% of pc gamers that play fps games.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that some people like to use a pad?
Well id imagine that to most pc gamers speed and accuracey are whats needed most in an online game. Consoles its not as much of a necessity as the controls are slower in comparison and the gameplay to an extent is slower as well.
And i don;t really get bringing god mode into the discusion, it may be easier but its not playing the game properly, if the games a pc fps then keyboard and mouse is the designed, proper way to play it.
I don't find it hard to believe, but the fact is that if somone in a pc fps is using a joypad against keyboard and mouse users then he's gonna be in for a frustrating experience to say the least.
What is needed to remain competitive online, is not the same as what will necessarily bring the most enjoyment to the end user. For you maybe it does also fulfil that criteria, however i'm struggling to see why you have such a massive problem seeing that other people might see things differently to you.
As for god mode, it's called an analogy and it was used to demonstrate that devices that make something easier aren't necessarily always better in every sense of the word.
No one is arguing against this though?
All people are saying is that perhaps ultimate technical control isn't what dictates 'better' to everyone.
Have to agree.
I play (not as frequently now) COD4 online, and would never be as good at it with a gamepad. But I prefer Bioshock, Oblivion and Fallout3 on the 360, mainly due to the rumble feedback, and analogue movement, only available with the gamepad.
No one is arguing against this though?
All people are saying is that perhaps ultimate technical control isn't what dictates 'better' to everyone.
All depends on the game obviously, for most pc users ultimate control in an online fps is pretty much necessary. Other games its not as big of a factor.
Online FPS is far from all games.
I think the issue people are taking is the fact you say kb&m is 'better'.
In a technical sense a kb/m is better.
In an immersive sense, maybe not.
In an enjoyment sense, maybe not.
In a challenging sense, maybe not.
I think the issue was just with your narrow definition of 'better'.
When i see pro console talk about upgrade cycle when a figure is given they nearly always say 6 months. which i don't agree with.
Sorry that's the point & the mistake that many make when they go one about how the gfx card cant cope but the console can.
So don't bother bringing the upgrade of the gfx card into at all if your don't understand that they are not doing the same work so you cant moan.
The numbers are the facts when it comes to gfx whether you like to count them or not Apples to oranges.
It has plenty of bearing on the quality & some good amounts of AA thrown in is night & day & AA is what the consoles really need to make up the the lack of res.
I have yet for to hear anyone come around & use my 30" 2560x1600 & tell me the res make little difference to the quality.
(1) Not true i have already mentioned examples of my friend playing the latest games on a 1800xt @1440x900 & on his Samsung 32" HDTV & they are perfectly playable up until a month ago when i sold him 2 3870 & not because he needed them but because i shoved them under his nose with a very good sales pitch.
The diminishing returns is because more demand is made of them to begin with & it only gets higher as time going on.
If the person keeps there demands lower like the (1) which is what the consoles are doing then diminishing returns are not the issue & the benefit of everything else a PC can do.
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You miss the point entirely.
Not everybody wants to play with your 30"
Casual gaming is popular, but you don't seem to realise that. People get fed up with spending a lot of money on hardware and may move on to something a little more permanant.I used to upgrade a lot but there is more to life. I have other hobbies, cycling, playing the guitar, athletics competitions. All of them take up a lot of time. For me to spend >£200 on a GPU is pointless for a few decent games that come out on the PC.
I am not the only one who thinks like this. If I have a bit of spare time I can surf the net on the PC or kick back and have a dabble on the 360. I only own five games on it but as I play, on average, a few hours a week it is fine.
Not everybody wants to dedicate so much time and money on a PC. It is, at the end of the day, a niche hobby.
You miss the point entirely.
Not everybody wants to play with your 30"
I used to upgrade a lot but there is more to life. I have other hobbies, cycling, playing the guitar, athletics competitions. All of them take up a lot of time. For me to spend >£200 on a GPU is pointless for a few decent games that come out on the PC.
I am not the only one who thinks like this. If I have a bit of spare time I can surf the net on the PC or kick back and have a dabble on the 360. I only own five games on it but as I play, on average, a few hours a week it is fine.
Not everybody wants to dedicate so much time and money on a PC. It is, at the end of the day, a niche hobby.
Read all of my post as it is you that missed my point!
You don't have to keep upgrading like the (1) example & he is a heavy games player but kept his demands in check from the get go.
My 30" 2650x1600 was in response of there not being much difference in quality with res & AA which there is & i never said that everyone should play at high res but that people don't understand that on avg the PC is playing at a higher res than the consoles.
I know more people who have gone from console to PC gaming than the other way around.
Your talking about your personal needs which is fine but that does not go for everyone or we would not be having this discussion in the first place.
Im pointing out the differences between the console & the PC, what matters to the individual is up to them.
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