I'm a first year medical student and its sad to hear so much going badly for people, most of it sounds like bad manners and simply not listening to what people have to say. I can tell you that this point is being pushed very hard on us, to let people speak and not cut them off - from the OP first post it sounds horrid. I've been lucky all of the GPs I've been with so far have been role models for me and feel they are all excellent doctors, but I've had to go to the university GP and found him awful. You get bad eggs in any profession and unfortunately due to the earning power of some jobs this will attract the wrong group of people. As some people have said if you completely disagree with how you've been treated or what you've been told, see someone else, especially if it's a serious or urgent issue. I hope I don't turn out like some of doctors described... wait... I hope I get through medical school.
Absolutely FUMING (Arrogant GPs)
- Thread starter Heofz
- Start date
Caporegime
- Joined
- 8 Jan 2004
- Posts
- 32,904
- Location
- Rutland
Nobody goes into medicine for the money, there's much easier ways for people that are bright enough to do medicine to earn that kind of money.
And all the communication crap is utter BS, there's no time for any of it once you start work.
Yes and no. I think it's all about picking out people who need the extra time. Some will only take 2-3 mins e.g. repeats and others who come in without any previous problems and have something vague need the time. I do know what you are saying though.
If you go into medicine for the money, you are daft, but people do.
If you go into medicine for the money, you are daft, but people do.
I agree totally that sweeping statements like "all indian doctors are useless" is stupid and racist.
However the examples i have discussed have been from personal experiance and i stand by them. Now maybe the receptionists are to blame, but they always assure me that the doctor has instructed them to not allow my partner into the consultation unless we make a double booking, yet i see asian patients go in 3 or 4 at a time for a normal 10minute consultation. Double standards? it certainly looks like it... i cannot see any other explination, when like i say, its something that i see EVERY time i have to go there. ( which is quite often lately due to a blood disorder ).
I respect doctors, they are professionals and highly intelligent people. I do not expect to have to fight for my fair share of their time, paid for out of my taxes like anyone else, just because i dont speak the correct language or have the correct skin colour. Likewise i would expect all to be treated the same when it comes to appointments, except for medical needs of course. This also appears to be based on skin colour in my local surgery.... one or two times is acceptable as exceptions, but to see this literally each time i go there is stretching the realms of fairness.
My main gripe is that if this was the other way round im quite sure it would result in some complaints and a kicking off. But because to even suggest that they are prioitising asian patients im branded "a racist thug" and hounded out of town.... ( you get the idea anyway ). Now maybe there ARE some genuine reasons to explain all the things i see, and i would hope that there are actually. I just hope that some of the posters here can accept that not all doctors surgeries operate like their own, and that inner city areas work very differently to nice leafy suburbs and rural practices.
Last edited:
Minorities can be racist too, but you are being racist to bring it up in this thread, it's all about context.
Some GPs are good, some aren't - I'm sure they all started out with the best of intentions but there's absolutely nothing they can do about it and in some cases this will make them jaded (like some teachers).
It's sad to say, if I was ever worried about my health, I'd go private or abroad. When your paying you get better service, you are the customer. In the NHS you are a burden.
Some GPs are good, some aren't - I'm sure they all started out with the best of intentions but there's absolutely nothing they can do about it and in some cases this will make them jaded (like some teachers).
It's sad to say, if I was ever worried about my health, I'd go private or abroad. When your paying you get better service, you are the customer. In the NHS you are a burden.
Associate
- Joined
- 22 Sep 2008
- Posts
- 822
Hmm, I made a claim earlier that nobody here is trying to say that "ALL indian doctors are useless", as I definitely agree a sweeping comment like that would be overgeneralising and indeed racist. But I noticed since then that there were actually a couple of comments here that were pretty much exactly that, or equally as bad. I guess the whole "there's bound to be bad apples" thing even applies to forum threads eh? 
Anyways, thanks for the wellwishing comments everyone
I'll update this thread with the CT scan result tomorrow, perhaps then we might even get to the bottom of the misdiagnosis, not that that is the priority of course.
On a sidenote, I'm pleasantly surprised that a CT scan slot was available so quickly, though I'm not sure if it had anything to do with our whole family being on BUPA. I don't really know how it works, but I'll ask when I see my dad again tomorrow.
Anyways, thanks for the wellwishing comments everyone
I'll update this thread with the CT scan result tomorrow, perhaps then we might even get to the bottom of the misdiagnosis, not that that is the priority of course.On a sidenote, I'm pleasantly surprised that a CT scan slot was available so quickly, though I'm not sure if it had anything to do with our whole family being on BUPA. I don't really know how it works, but I'll ask when I see my dad again tomorrow.
My GP is really good
Ditto had mine for the last 20 yrs
, hope your father gets better soon Heofz.
I'm sorry OP but if you don't like it, go private...
I for one am quite prepared to suffer the NHS for what it costs compared to private treatment, and if it comes down to it and I feel the need, I will go private.
As for the racism in the OP, quite frankly it is disgusting, if 4 Indian GP's have been like it with you have you not figured out that you are the thing that has stayed the same, how about trying to change you attitude, not coming across so racist, bigoted and foolish, you might get somewhere? I have had a fair few GP's in my time and all of them have been very decent, foreign or not.
I for one am quite prepared to suffer the NHS for what it costs compared to private treatment, and if it comes down to it and I feel the need, I will go private.
As for the racism in the OP, quite frankly it is disgusting, if 4 Indian GP's have been like it with you have you not figured out that you are the thing that has stayed the same, how about trying to change you attitude, not coming across so racist, bigoted and foolish, you might get somewhere? I have had a fair few GP's in my time and all of them have been very decent, foreign or not.
Only on OCUK
At the risk of sounding racist? You couldn't sound more racist if you tried.
"I'm not racist but..."
Yeah, except the part where you specifically talked about how this GP would've probably treated your Dad if he was a "familiar" (lol). You didn't just describe what happened to you - you described what happened to you and made a sweeping generalisation about how things would've been different if your Dad was Indian too. That's the very definition of racism.
You preach about not being racist whilst secretly harbouring racist opinions. If anything you're worse than the people that wear it on their sleeve, at least they're not deluding themselves.
Last edited:
Oh please.
And why bother with the "I'm sorry" phrase? you are anything but.Congrats and thanks for the info, do you want a cookie?
Wow, could you be any more condescending and presumptuous? I take it you know me in real life then? As obviously you're claiming to know exactly how I "come across" to GPs in the privacy of a practice room, simply from reading a few lines of text on a forum? That's amazing.
Again with the "you are pathetic, compared to me you are nothing" routine. Two occurrences in one post no less! Seriously are you looking for an internet medal or something? And so because you've allegedly been through several GPs and all of them were fantastic (why you felt the need to change so often then I have no idea
), that automatically means every GP out there must be perfect and it is all my fault? lol, give me a break.Why not just admit the only reason you came on here was to try to make yourself look big by trying to belittle somebody else (and failing miserably I might add)? You must be feeling pretty insecure about yourself to stoop this low. I encounter your kind all the time and you are fooling nobody.
Whatever you say pal, trust people like you to take single sentences out of context and twist what was said into nothing but racial hatred
People like you are the reason why they banned the "baa baa black sheep" nursery rhyme at preschool.
I never mentioned anything whatsoever saying "all indian GPs" are like 'xx'. At worst I accused one GP of being racist against whites. "That's the very definition of racism" ? LMAO, get over yourself
I'm not sure which is actually more harmful to this country's society: people who are openly racist or PC brigade idiots like yourself who think as soon as you mention any ethnic group in public that automatically means you are a racist. It wouldn't surprise me if you're the kind of idiot who's afraid to describe a black person as "black" because you think it's a "racial slur".
Last edited:
Soldato
- Joined
- 21 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 6,360
- Location
- Harrow, UK
Only on OCUK
At the risk of sounding racist? You couldn't sound more racist if you tried.
"I'm not racist but..."
Yeah, except the part where you specifically talked about how this GP would've probably treated your Dad if he was a "familiar" (lol). You didn't just describe what happened to you - you described what happened to you and made a sweeping generalisation about how things would've been different if your Dad was Indian too. That's the very definition of racism.
Excuse me, but if you go back and re-read what Heofz wrote he does mention "i do wonder", which just shows that he is thinking that things MIGHT have been different his Dad was Indian. He is considering the fact that this one guy MIGHT be racist, but that is Heofz's opinion and he is entitled to that opinion.
On a separate note, I have to agree with Heofz in that I have seen "Non-Indian" patients coming out of surgeries muttering how useless the GP, knowing full well that some Indian's don't have an issue. I could assume that the GP is racist and I might even call him racist... go on, tell me I am racist for calling a fellow Indian racist
You don't even know Heofz
Ahhh white people offended for the Indians
Real Indian not offended.
It's just when that council wanted the ban the nativity/public Christmas stuff not to offend other relgions and even the Muslims complained that it was stupid to ban them
Real Indian not offended.
It's just when that council wanted the ban the nativity/public Christmas stuff not to offend other relgions and even the Muslims complained that it was stupid to ban them
So it's perfectly acceptable to say racist things if you preface it with "I do wonder", cool didn't know that. I do wonder if the UK would be a better place with less blacks knifing people.
Nice straw man with "baa baa black sheep" too Hoefz.
The guy said "I do wonder if <sweeping racist generalisation>". Open your eyes.
Nice straw man with "baa baa black sheep" too Hoefz.
The guy said "I do wonder if <sweeping racist generalisation>". Open your eyes.
Of course the UK would be a better place with less blacks knifing people, just as it would be a better place with less whites knifing people, and less asians knifing people. Any reduction in knifings would be better
. Congrats, with that example, you pretty much confirmed everything I said in the last sentence of my previous post. I'm pretty sure it's less a case of people needing to "open their eyes", and more a case of you needing a better grasp of reading comprehension. I don't see anything "sweeping" or "generalising" about anything I said. I pondered how my father's GP might have treated him differently if my father was of a different race, please explain exactly why you deem that to be so "racist"?
Seriously I want to know. Please break it right down, if just for the sake of everyone else's entertainment.
P.S. Oh yeah and with regard to your "straw man" remark, one of the definitions of a straw man argument is:
Oh the audacityWikipedia said:
Last edited: